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Is Sexual Orientation Determined at Birth?

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  • +55 +70 -15 Victor Greywolf Dec. 22, 2011
    "Well, as far as that one goes, I am neither pro or con on this. I say they do have feelings, which is what my original statement should've been put under, but, nobody really knows what they are until I believe 13 at the latest, since you don't really discover your sexual identity until then, although some circumstances may play a role in it such as a traumatic experience, but outside of that, yeah, you are what you are at birth. Now, in some cases, things such as molestation may contribute to it, such as the case with some places, or enviornment, or whatever have you, but that's not always the case. If you are LGBT, so what. You are who you are. Why is it such a big deal, right? Alot of them are very cool people. Live and let live. To each their own."
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    • +3 +3 0 Victor Greywolf Apr. 6, 2012
      "Thanks for quoting me. I appreciate it. I was referring to the sexual orientation. Now, I am pro-abortion, but as far as hypocrosy goes, I am not being a hypocrit, since I am not as attacked on these topics. But, JDH, I thank you for your amusing little comment. As far as attacking, who is the REAL hypocrit? Not me. I didn't get attacked as much on here, so there is no need for me to go off, but you have the right to your opinion, as I have the right to mine. However, I will say I did agree 100% with some things you said on the abortion topic, like increasing the sex ed and all. As long as I am not attacked, I can be nice.

      Thank you for your comment."
    • +1 +1 0 Anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "This debate is not about opposition to homosexuality. It's about whether sexual orientation is a result of nature vs. nurture (born with it, or choice). Your comments are not based on any sort of research, but rather just your blind emotion. We don't discover our sexual identity until around age 13? I remember times between age 4-7 where I was clearly turned on by the opposite sex (no traumatic experiences). You are what you are at birth? If that's true, then maybe it's clear that the sexual organ you're born with is more compatible w/ that of the opposite sex."
    • +1 +1 0 Phil Bickel Jun. 26, 2012
      "This is about where I'm at, my only question is whether we should encourage homosexuality, or even if it can be encouraged? Should it be prevented, and if it is ever possible should it be reversed, or should we evn be looking at that research? Suppose they do find a gene that cause homsexual tendacies, or attraction to thesame sex, would it be ethical for a parent to manipulate that gene through therapy. Would it be appropriate to abort a fetus if it had the trait for homosexuality, Obama is in favor of sex selection abortions. Is there adifference?"
    • 0 0 0 Victor Greywolf Sep. 10, 2012
      "To Phil, how do you encourage homosexuality? It can't be prevented, especially since when a baby is born, how can nit differenciate between homosexuality and heterosexuality? Answer is, it can't. Nature vs nurture is an old wive's tale that has yet to be proven and I mean proven upon a shadow of a doubt. Nurture has nothing to do wit it. As far as nature goes, well, there is SOME truth to it. But nature is in and of itself, nothing more.

      To a point, sexual orientation is somewhat nurture, such as the case with molestations, but doesn't it usually enhance a sexual orentation, or bring someone closer to one or the other? There have been debates about changing a sexual orientation of a person, but so far, none have been proven to be true."
    • -4 +1 -5 JDH Mar. 30, 2012
      "A person is a person huh?? Hypocrite. You're over here spouting all kinds of sweetness but on the abortion page you're yelling, and I quote, "MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS.""
  • +31 +49 -18 Kate Dec. 3, 2011
    "Why does it matter who people sleep with. Why can't we just let people be happy the way they are whether they are born like that or not. If god really exist I think he does then he probably put gay people on the earth to help prevent overpopulation, because instead of having kids they adopt the kids other people didnt want in the first place"
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    • +2 +2 0 Kate Apr. 20, 2012
      "I like you. Partially because we have the same name, and partially because I fully agree. God doesn't hate anyone, all god wants is tolerance. Love and tolerance. If one man loves another man, truthfully, then God will be proud."
    • +1 +2 -1 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "First of all, this debate is not about tolerance (or lack thereof) towards homosexuals, it's about whether homosexuality is the result of nature or nurture. Second, is it okay for me (a 31 year old male) to sleep with a 13 year old female, as long as we're both happy with it? I hope you don't just make generalizations for accepting homosexuality, without doing the same for pedophilia. Maybe god put pedophiles on the earth to enable more mature, financially stable men to help youthful females conceive and raise children properly? The Virgin Mary is said to have been conceived by the holy spirit at around age 14. Just how probable is it that god cares about overpopulation and uses homosexuals as a means to prevent it? Maybe, the same way god puts evil in the world to help us recognize goodness, he puts homosexuals in the world to help us recognize the appropriateness of heterosexual relationships?"
    • 0 0 0 Risha Rene Feb. 15, 2014
      "Kate, here is why it matters who people sleep with. From the CDC- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)) represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet In 2010, young MSM (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all MSM." People are dying because of their sexual choices. (no one will die from being attracted and choosing to abstain) http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html"
  • +26 +36 -10 Victoria Jan. 2, 2012
    "If it were a choice, why can't I choose to be gay? I mean, I do have the testosterone for it, but I couldn't be a lesbian. I don't find girls sexually attractive. Can't stand most of them, to be honest. I find men extremely attractive. I almost feel shallow, though. Because, really, what's the difference between men and women when it comes to personalities? A guy can be just as sweet and sensitive as a girl, and a girl can be an egotistical prick. But I can't bring myself to be attracted to women. It just doesn't work. So you can't choose to be gay. You can only choose to be open about it or live in denial."
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    • 0 0 0 Victoria Jul. 31, 2012
      "I never chose to be straight. If it were truly up to me, I would be bisexual, not limiting my love to one gender. I would love to eat onions and tomatoes and spicy food like the rest of the world, but instead I hate them. I can eat them, sure. They're gross though. Will do almost anything not to.

      And I could live a gay lifestyle and tolerate sex with girls, but it would not feel right because I am straight and not attracted to them. It's the same with gays who live a straight lifestyle: they are not straight. I will never be gay because I don't find women sexually stimulating although I am completely capable of having sex with them. I will never be a zoophile because I don't find animals sexually stimulating although I am capable of having sex with them. I won't magically acquire a liking for tomatoes although I was promised as a child that it was just a phase.

      And your logic of if you can f*** it, you're automagically sexually attracted to it is pure BS."
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Just because you close your mind to the idea of being gay (because you're content w/ your heterosexual lifestyle) doesn't mean you don't have the potential to be more open to a homosexual experience/lifestyle. I can't move myself to eat insects, but if the right incentive presented itself, I probably could eat an insect and in some circumstances even learn to enjoy it (assuming it was my only source of food or some extreme situation like that). I'm a straight male. I've never fantasized about men. I've never considered being gay. I'm thoroughly convinced that I am obsessed w/ the female body. That all said, I am open minded enough to see the potential for a choice to experiment in a gay lifestyle. The fact that you and I are even postulating our inability to be attracted to the opposite sex is reflective of our CHOICE to be heterosexual."
  • +24 +34 -10 Brittany Jan. 31, 2012
    "I believe that Sexual Orientation is determined at birth, Religous people tend to think that it is nothing but a choice and it is reversible. But why would someone want to choose to be bullied? This is not a choice, it is simply who we are."
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    • +1 +1 0 Pooh Nov. 19, 2013
      "It really is determined at birth"
    • 0 +3 -3 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Why would someone choose to be a pedophile, serial killer, rapist, drug addict, etc.? Is it simply who they are? If so, why do we even have "correctional facilities" or "rehabilitation programs"? Do you discount those who have decided to turn from homosexuality towards heterosexuality? Would you say they are not really hetero just because they choose to live that lifestyle? Who but ourselves can define our sexual orientation? If we say what we are and no one can tell us otherwise, then it is clearly a choice. Otherwise, prepare for the times when doctors, courts, and society start to determine our sexual orientation for us, regardless of our input/choice in the matter. If a baby is born with dark skin and a penis, a doctor can say "this is a black male". Show me one shred of evidence where doctors or others can determine with complete certainty one's sexual orientation? Sure, these are not choices that are made in the blink of an eye. Conditions help influence our choices, but nonetheless, sexual orientation is a choice and I hope it always remains that way."
    • -2 +2 -4 anonymous Oct. 7, 2012
      "Were you born straight? if the truth come out, testing a unborn child would prove your child was gay or straight, the mothers of unborn gay child would abort them."
  • +23 +30 -7 Jazzy Feb. 8, 2012
    "I am a straight female. Never in my life did I make a conscious decision to be atttracted to males. So why do we belive that homosexuals make the choice to be gay?Homophobics dont want to belive that people are just born gay. They need to think that it was a choice so they have more of a reason to berate them."
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    • +1 +1 0 Kevin Mar. 21, 2014
      "I believe you when you say that you didn't choose your orientation, but I think that you may have jumped to conclusions while reading the topic. Just because it is not a choice does not mean it was determined at birth. For example: if someone is left-handed, like myself, they did not choose their handedness, but it was not determined at birth, either."
    • +1 +2 -1 Victor Greywolf Feb. 10, 2012
      "Because some people are ignorant, or they listen to other ignorants who preach what they interpret as "the truth", when in reality it is hate bulls**t. Maybe alot of homophobic people really are eithr gay or lesbian, and they loathe themselves, or they had a bad experience with the LGBT and hate them because of that. If they only realized their vocal hatred brings more attention to their causes, or only shows how privately they support what they are against, right? But they are often amusing, especially since they are a great source of comedic material. I bet if the tables were reversed, they wouldn't be so vocal, if they knew they had the opposite effect on people."
    • 0 0 0 Wilber Stone Jan. 8, 2014
      "Oh yes! I live to berate people! Any People! Who doesn't?
      I'm pretty sick of people like you telling people like me, who we are, how we feel, what we want, and why we do this, that and the other, and every single thing you've derived your illogical assumptions on, co-incidentally, originally came from a homosexual's warped anger at the people who, at the start, and to this day, have, and show, very real concern for their lives.
      Something you should try by the way.
      Some fun facts for ya' Jazzy?
      There is no such thing as "homophobia" therefore, homophobic is likewise in the trash. The "word" was invented by a homosexual specifically to be used to turn the tables on Christians for a weapon to demonize them, via making them, "mentally ill" with the hopes of one day making them, criminally, mentally ill, in return for centuries of homosexuals, properly, being quarantined from society. At which time, I remind you, children being sodomized were minimal compared to post release of homos and throwing out anti-sodomy laws? Hmmm?"
    • 0 +1 -1 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Choice is not always the result of a conscious decision, nor is it always something that is done in the blink of an eye. My 4 yr old nephew has a friend at school that he considers to be his "girlfriend". He hugs and kisses her at the end of each day. We are a very affectionate family and as we witness his interactions w/ her, we encourage it (if at least for our own amusement). We boast about it among ourselves, "he has a cute gf. He always gives her a hug and kiss goodbye. etc." Our behavior re-enforces his behavior. He probably has no clue what straight/gay even means. He grows up witnessing his parents' affection towards each other. His mom nurtures him w/ love, care, and affection. I'm not saying these are the main factors that determine one's sexual orientation, but they are factors that can influence one's sexual orientation to the point that they one day realize they are attracted to a certain sex without ever having made a clear-cut choice in the matter. Lastly, just because someone chooses to defend the "nurture" argument does not make them homophobic. As of today ZERO proof exists to support the "nature" theory. Who knows? Maybe one day doctors, courts,and society will label us accordingly without our say in the matter."
  • +15 +29 -14 Ali Sep. 29, 2011
    "Being Gay isn't a problem. The problem is the people who don't want to except the fact that there other people who are not straight like them. The thing is that don't want to look beyond their window of choices and see others choices. Just be your self and you can conquer all."
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    • +2 +2 0 Risha Rene Feb. 15, 2014
      "People can accept there are others like them. That's not the issue at all. They just do not have to agree. That's their right. This is the very problem with the gay rights argument. By saying those who disagree with them are 'closed-minded' they are doing the very thing they accuse their opponent of! Why does everyone have to think and believe the same? Well, they don't. Which is exactly why many people will continue to disagree with the gay rights movement and their beliefs about men, women, sexuality, gender, marriage and procreation. If one is truly open-minded, then they would be open to others disagreeing with them."
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "This debate is not about whether or not homosexuality is a problem. It's about whether or not you're born that way. Looks like you are calling it a choice. There is still hope for you yet."
    • 0 0 0 Jenna Feb. 27, 2012
      "I agree with Ali. Why is being gay a bad thing, it's not like your us so why do you care what we do?!"
  • +13 +26 -13 Katie McDonald Dec. 20, 2011
    "I believe that sexual orientation is determined at birth. I recently read a novel were this guy was getting ready to be engaged and had to call it off because he just couldn't keep pushing his gay away. Some people try so hard to fix something that society deems as being bad but really isn't at all. People don't choose to be gay they just are, it just is. I didn't choose to wake up one morning and say i want to like women. For some people the fact that they like the same sex shows up a bit later than others but it isn't a choice and it is NOT wrong for the people who wont accept the unorthodox. You are who you are and YOU choose how to live your life not everyone else. This is who WE are we are Gay, and thats just how it is. no argument to it."
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    • +8 +8 0 Victor Greywolf Dec. 20, 2011
      "That's an awesome analogy. That was what I was trying to put in my con arguement, or meant to say in it. As far as being born gay, I was also saying, people don't know when they are born if they are gay or not. Doesn't that usually happen at 13 or so?

      Anyway, good insight."
    • 0 0 0 Anon May. 15, 2012
      "@ Victor: People can spend their whole lives discovering themselves, they can even die without figuring everything out.

      If you flip a coin and cover it with your hand, and you don't look at it until five minutes later, does that mean the coin wasn't facing that way before you looked at it?

      If you look in the mirror one day and examine more closely what shade your eyes are, are you changing their color by looking?

      Why is it relevant if you see something in yourself at age 4, or 13, or 25? (All of which are common.) What does it have to do with the debate?"
    • -1 0 -1 Wilber Stone Jan. 8, 2014
      "Uh-huh, I counted 37 people in the last few articles on related subjects, including this page, claiming to be homosexual, and, who didn't believe it was genetic.
      They wipe out your novel, 37 to 1.
      As is "scientifically" documented, over 80 percent of lesbians were sexually traumatized (sodomized) and most likely, all but a few were. No doubt, there are some modern imitating "wanna-bes" who, thanks to hollywood, or smutville if I prefer, have glorified the behavior, even while their own people suffer from it's effects on their lives.
      This business of, "I didn't choose to be abnormal, any more than you chose to be normal" is as deceptively founded as saying the homosexuals have no linkage to pedophilia, even while the hundreds of thousands of documents saying otherwise, stare them in the face?
      Denial is really nice when you're side has infiltrated every media outlet, government agency, research institute, etc., and DENIED access and resources from ALL the professionals who expose the truth, hence, making the republic into a lazy orientated society who'd all swallow the drain-o if you told them it would aid their 401k or make their kid a genius saint? Then again, there's that darn truth thingy that keeps standing in the way?"
    • -1 0 -1 Robert Jun. 1, 2012
      "One thing I notice among the PRO commenters is an assumption by some, like the one above, that because one's sexual desires are not CHOSEN, therefore they must be determined at birth. No other possibility?! I didn't choose to get hit from behind at a traffic light, but that event wasn't determined at my or anyone else's birth."
  • +10 +11 -1 Blake Apr. 24, 2012
    "Just look into sexually dimorphic nuclei. It is located in neurons if I remember correctly (taught at a major University). Their is an unbelievably strong correlation between two areas of the nulcei and sex identification, and orientation. One area will look one of two ways and correlate to identity: whether you feel male or female on the inside. The other area also will look one of two ways and correlate to orientation: 'gay/lesbian' or straight.

    It is ridiculous to say there is a 'gay/lesbian gene'. Of course there is no such thing just like there isn't any one 'smart gene', 'artistic gene', etc. Everything works together to get different outcomes.

    Besides all this, who the heck cares? Judge not less ye be judged."
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  • +8 +13 -5 Rosie Mar. 20, 2012
    "Nearly all points that were made before me are excellent and I must say that I agree. There's one point, though, that I believe has not yet been stated.
    The people that support the "con" side of this topic have said repeatedly that to be homosexual is a lifestyle choice and gays have simply made the wrong choice according to Christianity. I do not believe this is true. I believe that there are just as many gays and lesbians today as there have always, but more are coming out into the open because "gayness" is becoming more accepted and even appreciated our culture. Think about how many lovable homosexual characters there are in TV and movies. Due to this change in our culture, I think more gays are feeling with revealing their orientation. If you lived several hundred years ago where homosexuality was so frowned upon that your own parents might disown you, would you ever come out to the public? I think it's wonderful that gays and lesbians are learning to accept and love their sexuality.

    Also, if it were a life decision, why would anybody choose to be gay? I'm not saying this to be offensive towards gays, but I'm sure many homosexuals wish they were heterosexual because of the torment they receive for a choice that wasn't theirs."
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    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "First of all, this is a debate about whether or not people are born gay (not about whether it's right or wrong). Second, not everyone on the con side uses religious ideology to support their position. Many secular people believe sexual orientation is conditional behavior (not innate), not just Christians. Lastly, I think it's pretty clear that society looks down on pedophiles, so why would a pedophile choose that lifestyle? Are they born a pedophile? I'm not comparing the morality (or lack thereof) of pedophilia w/ that of homosexuality, but I think my point is valid in response to your last paragraph.

      I don't think the con side is saying that everyone at some point makes a clear cut choice about whether they are gay or straight. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it is not an innate attribute that can be detected at birth, but rather something that we are conditioned to choose (consciously or subconsciously) over time. The same way a pedophile is conditioned over time to choose that way of life."
  • +4 +6 -2 Tim Jul. 15, 2012
    "I grew up in a normal nice household.Nothing traumatic ever happened to me. I got along well with my parents, and was very happy. However, in the 3 decades since puberty, I have had regular homosexual fantasies. I have never had 1 sexual fantasy about a woman. I was even married for 18 years. I desperately didn't want to be gay. I always hated being turned on sexually by men in gay porn or pictures. I never acted on them while married. I just couldn't even though I really wanted to. I would have to fantasize about men to achieve orgasm while with my wife. I prayed a million times to be straight. I would in a minute take a pill if it would make me straight. I have felt a lot of shame, guilt, etc over my feelings. It cause a lot of depression in me. I was really tired of being ashamed of what I in. I hate that I couldn't just be me. I denied it forever. I felt bad for my wife, but our relationship was just not a good one. With 4 kids,it prevented me for years from being honest with myself. I got tired of being ashamed of myself & wanted to be proud of who I am. I finally came out first to myself & then finally told my wife that I am a true homosexual. She was not surprised at all. It was like taking a 1,000 weight off of my chest"
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  • +4 +9 -5 Jack Feb. 29, 2012
    "yes and No but what does it matter it's not like it's any of our buisness to wether others are gay or not. And if i had to have opinon on gays I'd say they were great people with funny hummaristic veiws in the way life is. They make me smile when i am having the worst of days so if they can do that people need to lay off of them for being gay cause they're ok."
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    • -1 0 -1 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Being sexually oriented toward the same gender offers little to no definition of character. And supporting the "nurture/choice" argument is in no way an opposition to homosexuality."
  • +3 +4 -1 Cheyenne Apr. 11, 2014
    "I honestly believe that homosexuality is determined at birth. I never chose to like females, but I do. If I had the choice to like guys, I would. Trust me when I say that I would never have chosen to be something that so many people find socially unacceptable. When I hear people say it's a choice, it pisses me off to be quite honest. Did you heterosexuals consciously choose to like the opposite sex as well? Nope. My point is that no one really makes that decision. It's just who we are. Furthermore, why does it matter who people choose to like anyway? I think that we all should have a major attitude check and realize that gay people always have and always will be here. Nothing will change that. Learn to accept that there are people in this world who have different opinions, beliefs, and/or preferences than you. This shouldn't even be an issue to begin with. Come on guys"
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  • +3 +4 -1 Teen Ager Dec. 16, 2012
    "I agree, sexual orientation is determined at birth. Let me share my own story. I was gay before I even knew what the word gay meant! When I was like 4 or 5 years old, I was playing with my guy friends, I touched a guy's hand for like 3 seconds and then I started peeing on myself! However, the weird thing is that I only love Females. I have had 5 major crushes on girls for the 15 years i have lived. I still get small crushes towards girls. So in brief, I lust from men, but I love women. When I was twelve, I was kissed by a boy on the cheek and I liked it, but I didn't like him, I just liked his body. Of course all of this is kept secret and nobody knows about it. Is any body having a similar case, if so please contact me I wrote down my email its arandomteenager@hotmail.com. I feel that I need to share this with someone that doesn't know me and someone that I don't know."
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    • +1 +1 0 Amanda Jan. 3, 2013
      "Yes, this is very common, actually. It does not mean you are a homosexual. This is what every person goes through. It's just that not every person has been in such positions as you, and may not be awakened to such feelings. At the same time, this has nothing to do with now labeling yourself a homosexual. You are responding naturally to physical touch, and physical touch between two people of the same sex is always more erotic/lust-evoking. So, the reaction is up to you. To stay in that or to move away from it. That's where you will find as an adult, true love with a woman is that which forfeits your lusts. It will be an awesome pleasure that no homosexual behavior can replace."
    • 0 0 0 disgusto Jul. 14, 2013
      "wow, that's so revolting i don't even know what to say. if lusting for men is common isn't that a very good reason not to let you marry?"
  • +3 +4 -1 Phil Bickel Jun. 26, 2012
    "I being gay is genetic, then you'd have to say it's a defect, becasue it is by design or selection how would it perpetuate itself?

    If it is a defect, then should it be open to correction either after or before birth?"
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  • +3 +4 -1 Max Jun. 20, 2012
    "I personally suspect that, like most things having to do with the psyche, homosexuality is most likely a combination of nature and nurture. Other examples of this complex interaction include sociopathy and very high I.Q."
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  • +3 +3 0 Josh Jun. 9, 2012
    "Once poster says that orientation is "usually determined by puberty." That might be when it is revealed, but that doesn't mean it is when it was determined. If it wasn't biological (at least for most), a lot of people would have decided to go the route that is easier - the one where they didn't have to fear being kicked out by parents or losing friends or being beat up. Not to mention, a more limited selection of love interests. I do believe some are bi and they can choose... but for those that are gay... just think of all the teen suicides. If we would just accept this already, maybe they wouldn't torment themselves so much with feeling wrong. (Stay strong young!). If it makes any difference, I am gay.... and so are both of my mom's brothers, neither of whom lived near me as a child. That's strong evidence it could be genetic right there. Oh, and lots of animals in nature are gay and I'm not just talking about horny dogs... some species have monogomous examples of same-sex coupling. Going to have to side with born gay, for many reasons."
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  • +3 +5 -2 Imagine May. 11, 2012
    "Who said it couldn't be both?"
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    • +1 +1 0 Max Jun. 20, 2012
      "It is most likely both, as well as most psychological conditions."
  • +3 +4 -1 Anon Apr. 28, 2012
    "Sexuality is influenced by upbringing, for sure. You don't pop out of your mom knowing what male and female are, or what about them you might be specifically attracted to. You learn detailed fetishes after birth, you learn to be turned on by a partner's face after being with them and coming to love them.

    But what many don't seem to appreciate is how fundamental orientation is. Straight guys didn't choose to be attracted to girls one day, just like gay guys didn't choose to like guys one day. Some aspects are just too strong and too basic. Gay people know from experience, it's obvious to them. Straight people might not have the same experience, but they've been children. They should know what kinds of things are developed at that stage and what aren't.

    I also think female sexuality is, sometimes, more flexible with orientation, as it is (generally) not as heavily invested in strictly male and female attributes, like visual cues. So you might be more likely to find a girl than a guy who could truly go from bi to gay over time as her preferences developed. But even so, her most fundamental, primitive attractions didn't (and couldn't) change. Only where she preferred to find them, or which of them.

    This is my second comment."
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    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Your comments are more supportive of the 'con' side of this argument. Cons are not saying it's a clear-cut choice that's made in the blink of an eye. I certainly recognize what you referenced as "how fundamental orientation is." But if you agree that it's a result of conditioning (and not a detectable attribute from birth, like skin color), that opens the door to discussion around the morality of homosexuality.

      Just because a choice can be subconscious and can stem from conditioning, which can lead to a fundamental behavior (and not something that can be easily turned off over night), doesn't mean that the behavior should be automatically accepted in society. Once we can accept that homosexuality is a choice (granted, usually one made indirectly through conditioning), then we can move away from comparisons to civil rights/skin color issues and engage in further debate around the homosexual lifestyle."
  • +3 +7 -4 Victor Greywolf Apr. 24, 2012
    "I don't even know why this is an issue to be honest with you people on here. Homosexuality is in itself a thing you are. Before I believe either 1975, or 2005 it was determined to be a mental illness, but they later found out that it wasn't. Artists such as Edward Everett Horton and Rudolph Nureyev were often angry at the stigmatizm of being who they were, and having society shun them due to it, which is ridiculous. Andy Warhol, I wonder if he faced the same problem. Anyways, sometimes gay people are better than the regulars, due to their creativity, and all, and this is coming from a hetero person. About the so-called "god" argument, people preach that, and all it does is get people to laugh at them. This god is an imaginary being, and people use the imaginary being to create an excuse for hatred. Come on, cons, or antis, if you want to be taken seriously, please try to get away from the "god" stupidity, and have something interesting. Sure, I posted on the con side, but that was a mistake, since I am more in favor of gay rights than the average straight person, and they are who they are. Besides, I bet alot of the cons, or antis as I like to call them, are probably in the closet also. End of story on my part."
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  • +3 +5 -2 Kate Apr. 20, 2012
    "Gays won't go to hell, much as I hate to say it, as a catholic, christians that say that homosexuality is against god is WRONG. God loves. God loves love. If one man loves another, god's like, more power to 'em!"
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    • 0 0 0 Jay Jun. 7, 2014
      "Have you read "The Bible"?"
  • +3 +4 -1 Carl Apr. 15, 2012
    "I don't see a single gay person's testimonial in the con side of this discussion, whereas I do see actual gay peoples' testimonials in the pro side of this discussion. Perhaps it is best to listen to those who are actually affected by the point of interest."
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    • +1 +1 0 Amanda Jan. 3, 2013
      "I just posted on the con side, comment pending. I am someone who struggled with homosexual thoughts. Yes, it is a choice, a choice of thought behavior. Thoughts can be very powerful and overwhelm a person to believe they can't change. Depression, alcoholism, phobias are all like homosexual thoughts. While a person is in the midst of that, they do not see a way out-- some want to stay there because it gratifies their desires. Others feel more and more guilty as the days go on. Still others, like me, find strength to be humble enough to admit you have a problem, confess it to someone, and remain accountable until your thought patterns are broken. I am not gay now."
    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 13, 2014
      "Why? Because they're likely to remember what their sexuality was at birth?"
  • +3 +12 -9 jasmyne Nov. 18, 2011
    "You can never choose wether you want to be straight, gay or bisexual. Its not a decision, its a way of life that alot of the world has to deal with every day of their lives. They have to live in fear of their family or friends finding out for fear that they may reject them. That is not right. Being gay straight or bisexual is not a choice."
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    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Yesterday, I was gay. I was attracted to men and I desired to have sex w/ them. Today I am straight. I have a strong sexual desire for women and zero sexual attraction to men.. Who are you, or who is anyone, to tell me that my choice is invalid? Who is better than me at defining my sexual orientation? Will there really come a day where doctors, courts, and society start to label my sexual inclination w/out any say on my part? If it's not a choice, then I suppose you would support such an idea. Imagine having a child that a doctor tells you is "gay", but then your child grows up to only ever be attracted to women? Is the child still gay at that point or is he straight? Why was the doctor wrong? If the child was born with dark skin and a penis, the doctor can determine that the child is a black male. Those are detectable attributes. To this day there are ZERO accurate detectable attributes to determine one's sexual orientation at birth. Pedophilia, addiction, and kleptomania are also ways of life that are shunned by society. While certain conditions may incline someone towards a specific way of life, we always have a choice in the matter. I am arguing nurture/choice vs. nature/innate and in no way am I saying homosexuality is wrong."
  • +3 +12 -9 Ethan Sep. 26, 2011
    "For all of you who are gay/lesbian/bisexual Christians, take time to look this article up. It explains how the bible actually doesn't condemn homosexuality at all; I was lost on this issue. and this article put me at peace with myself and my religion: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian"
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  • +2 +4 -2 Jesse Leiva May. 17, 2012
    "Choice? When it comes to something as important as sexual orientation, there is no such thing as choice. We humans, all dream of living a happy life and having kids with a wife or husband. Who would choose a life that just brings suffering to their family and themselves. Why would someone choose to be what society calls "abnormal"? Sexual orientation is inherited. Possibly caused by environmental factors. Have we not seen fish in our waters go from male to female by all the hormones created by businesses. Just like most chicken businesses that use estrogen and other hormones to raise chickens.
    Sexual orientation is inherited or influenced by environment, not chosen by anyone. Yes it can be avoided but in the world we live in, there is no hope. I don't discriminate against homosexuality, I'm completely neutral on the subject. Unfortunately it is something that cannot be avoided.
    Humans are evolving more everyday. Nowadays, an offspring can be born just for the reason that the mother released more estrogen as she conceives her child."
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  • +2 +4 -2 Todd May. 13, 2012
    "I don't know any gay guys, like me, that don't believe that they were born the way they are.

    It's always interesting, the arrogance of people, to have an opinion on something they don't know anything about.

    And it's very telling when people like that insist that the people who actually DO know what they are talking about are lying about it.

    Most people I know, if they could have chosen, would ahve chosen to be heterosexual.

    So all you people insisting that we weren't born this way, please, show a little respect.

    But that's what this is really all about; those same people have no respect, they have nothing but contempt and hate in their hearts - so much so that they have to lie about us at every turn.

    Have a little integrity."
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  • +2 +7 -5 LTay Apr. 26, 2012
    "Ahh humans and our quaint little categories... I believe everyone and anyone, when pushed, could engage in a same sex relationship. I believe we are all born with no sexual preference, does nature insist we categorise ourselves as straight, bi or gay? Can we not just be with whoever makes us happy, regardless of what's on the outside? I mean, we are constantly told it's what's on the inside that counts- does this stop at gender? I think years of religious influence (by the way, I have been told there is little in the Bible against homosexuality, but people will happily use any shred homophobia in the book to their advantage) have driven us to thinking straight relationships are somehow superior. Alexander the Great had a male partner for life, and died from a disease he caught by refusing to leave his lovers death bed. Homosexuality in Ancient Greece was believed to increase masculinity, and all of the rulers had same sex partners just as often and opposite sex partners. The only reason we orientate towards opposite sex relationships is to have children, and the world hardly needs more of them... By limiting your choice of partner to one sex, you are effectively eliminating your chance of happiness by 50%- really smart! Not."
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Jul. 8, 2012
      "As to the business quoted by Max about lying with others, doesn't that mean untruthfulness is an abomination?"
    • 0 0 0 Max Jun. 20, 2012
      "Actually, it says in the bible pretty clearly: "if a man lies with another man, he is to be considered an abomination.""
    • 0 0 0 Anon May. 15, 2012
      "I agree that labels are taken far too seriously by most people, and don't like using them myself because of it.

      But I disagree about anyone being able to be pushed into a satisfying romantic relationship with a gender that they're not attracted to. You might be bisexual or asexual or whatever, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.

      Cultural norms that have existed in past societies are not necessarily any better than the stupidity we fight today."
  • +2 +5 -3 Cassidy Apr. 4, 2012
    "I do believe that individuals are born homosexual because it's not like anyone would want to consciously decide to make their life super hard. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but it's a fact that they are bashed everyday somewhere and aren't totally accepted. Not only that, but when did we all decide to be straight? I know I never did, I just am because I feel that way. Just like they FEEL that connection with the same sex that we feel with the opposite. It's not chosen and although we can't pinpoint the gene that causes it, it's determined at birth just like transvestites are "born in the wrong body.""
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 13, 2014
      "So conscious decision and genetics are the only possibilities? Couldn't possibly be an non-volitional process during life that wasn't genetically determined?"
    • 0 0 0 Anon May. 15, 2012
      "That's not what transvestite means. Transvestite means cross dresser, which is sometimes the preferred term.

      If you call someone who's transgender or transsexual a transvestite or tranny it could be taken as offensive. If it's clearly not out of ignorance, then very offensive."
  • +2 +4 -2 Nick Humphrey Mar. 25, 2012
    "Sexuality can be viewed as a triangular spectrum with asexuality, homosexuality and heterosexuality as the corners. Anywhere in the middle represents varying degrees of desire for sex, whether it be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual."
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  • +2 +5 -3 Angelo Rivera Mar. 8, 2012
    "I, personally, am not for or against determination at birth; however, I will step onto the side of Pro this time because I myself recall from a young age having "feelings" and noticing other boys rather than boys. I believe nature plays a part, but that environment, up-bringing, and personal experience also play a role based on the person."
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  • +2 +5 -3 mike Mar. 6, 2012
    "It kills me the quest for a biological association for sexuality. Whatever the existence of a gene that explains sexual orientation, the fact remains, the religious right will always find something wrong with it through their interpretation of what God wants. A loose example (for give the pun), the hoopla made over marriage and how legalizing gay marriage is destroying the institution and endangering the proliferation of the human species. It is cherry picking. Let's see...about a feeling...it was once thought and many marriages happened as a result of what it might have looked like if their daughters were pregnant and unmarried, hmmmm, social issue. Parents in certain cultures totally disregarded their children as people and choose for them who they would "feel" for and who they will love. Tolerance is the emotion it comes down too. Acknowledgement that we, as human beings, are just a part of and not the architects of this world, either how it was or how we've come to know it. Live and let live and if there is a God make your case when you see him, her, or it. But leave me alone and don't deny me life because I am not living it on your terms. Stop trying to figure out the blueprint for which you were not consulted."
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    • 0 0 0 Mike Aug. 3, 2012
      "I state for the record, I care not why any one individual opposes or supports anything. When you have to preceed any position for which you might advocate with a history of the world and how things might have been viewed/accepted, then you are speaking from the perspective of a man made idea, without the benefit of consulting the architect of this world and all its wonders and what that architect might have intended for the world it created. Marriage, or any comparable institution, are man made ideas (study that history). Men have routinely read and dictated from a pulpit what "GOD" meant when he said whatever through some chosen disciple (whose articulation we are suppose to trust as divine...NOT). This leads me to believe that judgement truly is beyond the realm of man and his rather small mind. For whatever one believes I can respect and walk away when I don't agree, as long as that belief does NOT impose on my right to believe and certainly not cause a person to deny me any aspect of a life they had no part in making...and, as I understand, have no right to take. Live and let live and when you can't make heads or tails of it, be contrite enough to LET your God you trust and attribute so much power to, work it out. EASY"
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Even though this is not a debate about gay marriage or the morality of homosexuality, I will play along. I recognize why homosexuals take issue w/ religion, as in most cases religion opposes the idea of homosexuality. However, there are plenty of secular people (even people on the left) who oppose gay marriage. I am not very religious and I can tell you why I oppose it.

      Marriage, regardless of its historical purpose or ties to religion, existed/exists before this debate, as a union between man and woman. It's just defined that way and practiced by many accordingly.

      Now you have folks coming along and saying, "Marriage as a union between man and woman is discriminatory towards same sex couples, so let's change the definition to include same sex."

      This argument is a fallacy. The institution of marriage between man and woman takes no position on sexual orientation or even love for that matter. Many male/female couples reap the benefits of marriage for many reasons. Even homosexual people engage in the male/female institution of marriage.

      Therefore, just because the homosexual lifestyle is not conducive to the m/f institution of marriage, it doesn't mean they have less rights than heteros to engage in m/f marriage."
  • +2 +7 -5 pow02007 Feb. 12, 2012
    "yes, what your genetics determine what your sexual orientation will be. some people are born gay and some choose it contrary to their instinct. is their a grey area for inbetweeners? maybe..."
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  • +2 +11 -9 Weenur Nov. 30, 2011
    "Apparently no one knows what the hell it is. I personally feel it is more than likely genetics though."
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    • +4 +4 0 Jefferson Dec. 1, 2011
      "I agree although I believe it has to do with both genetics and the events in ones life. Genetics has an influence on it but so do the events that happen it life,"
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Usually something genetic can be supported beyond just a personal feeling. If "no one knows what the hell it is" (and clearly there exists no proof today that genetics defines sexual orientation) then why on earth would you take the illogical path towards "personally feeling that it is more than likely genetics".?"
  • +2 +15 -13 JDH Nov. 19, 2011
    "I am an extremely conservative Christian woman and I have many friends who are homosexual. I love them regardless of their sexual orientation and I don't care who they decide to love as long as they are happy. It is not my right to judge anyone and trust me, it's a daily struggle with all that goes on in the world. My gay friends laugh and cry and have the same dreams as I do so what really makes them different from me? God loves all of his children period. I have many friends who have tried to "stop being gay." I've watched them struggle their whole lives and it tears me apart. None of them woke up one day and said, "I think I'm going to start being gay today" or "I choose a life of discrimination and hate." Who would choose that for themselves??? Not one of them made the choice to be the way they are so yes, I believe they are born that way just as I was born to be straight. Asking a gay man or woman to fight their natural born feelings is unfair and extremely ignorant."
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    • +3 +6 -3 Kristen Dec. 13, 2011
      "I am also a christian and have gay friends too. I do believe that god loves them regardless of what they do because god is love. We are all supposed to love each other. But saying that they were born gay is just wrong. God would not purposely do that. My gay friends know that I love them but that I disagree with what they do."
    • 0 +2 -2 JDH Mar. 30, 2012
      "Kristen are you saying that gays are defective? Choosing to agree or disagree with what your friends (gay or straight) do is your business but choosing to disagree with who they ARE is a whole different story. None of my gay friends would be my friends if I disagreed with who they are but then again I don't think I'd be friends with them if I felt the way you do."
    • -1 +1 -2 Becca Mar. 29, 2012
      "I agree wholy. telling someone who they love is wrong is like telling someone their religion is wrong or that their favorite color is wrong. you cant fight naturally born feelings toward another human being"
  • +2 +9 -7 kierra Oct. 27, 2011
    "i am pro because i think everyone has a right to be who they want to be or in this case be with who they want to be wether they are same sex or opposite it isn't anything bad it's normal everyone isn't perfect so the people who are con can say what they please but they should stop and think what if they were in the other shoes and they were getting bashed for who they like in stead of getting equal rights being gay lesbian bi or transgender shouldn't matter but in this world it does unfortunatly but i think we all can get threw it and show the world everyone is the same as them."
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    • +1 +1 0 kierra Oct. 28, 2011
      "i forgot to mention that i my self like the other gender and so do alot of my friends it is not an illness we have i dont see how it is that much of a difference."
  • +2 +15 -13 Larry E. Arenas Oct. 19, 2011
    "I ask people who believe sexual orientation is a CHOICE the following question: If you believe sexual orientation is a CHOICE please tell me when you CHOSE to be heterosexual? The long pause usually answers the question.

    I then tell them I believe bigotry and prejustice are learned from one or more of the "Four-F's:" Family, Friends and/or Faith. Their lack of counter-arguments provokes a deeper thought on their part which is a very good thing!"
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    • +2 +3 -1 Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011
      "Your insight is very powerful and thought provoking. Here's a reasonable response to your intriguing question; sexual orientation is a choice because human beings and other creatures can fall in love. Love of community, family, country, and significant other. Love is expressed everywhere with marriage being only a representation of love."
    • 0 0 0 Anon May. 15, 2012
      "@ Anonymous: I couldn't find any sense in that jumble. Yes, falling in love is lovely, and marriage is an amazing symbol (with powerful legal implications). But how are you saying it is a choice, exactly?"
    • -1 0 -1 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Choice is not always a conscious, clear-cut decision that is made over night. How can you charge Family, Friends, Faith (I think you missed F #4) w/ influencing one's bigotry and *prejudice?, yet completely rule out those same factors as potentially influencing one's sexual orientation?

      People's lack of counter-arguments to your points probably just means that they think you're full of yourself and it would do them no good to waste their time w/ you. Open your simple mind and think a bit more before you speak.

      Lastly, this is a "nature" vs. "nurture" debate and if you're so quick to label "nurture" supporters as bigots, then you are ignorant."
  • +2 +7 -5 Ashlyn Oct. 13, 2011
    "All I will say is, who would choose to be discriminated agaisnt everyday, all the time, everywhere? Who would choose to say, today I think I want to be ridiculed today for my sexual orientation... no one. You're born gay, you may not realize that you are until later on, but you are born gay... no question."
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  • +2 +16 -14 jasmine Sep. 8, 2011
    "ok well i knew i was lesbian since i was at least six and im about to be 17 and just came out last year about it. i believe you are born this way because i ddnt choose to be lesbian but now that i know this i wat god had planned for me im happy with it and really dont care what people think any more. Why dont the people that are con for it just get a life and stop hating on gays lesbians or bisexuals because there are bigger problems in the world like human traficking global warming rapist etc just get a life and leave us alone. take your negative comments somewhere else"
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  • +2 +21 -19 Bingo Aug. 15, 2011
    "Some better questions would be: Is being gay a choice? Conversely, is being straight a choice? Nature vs nurture influence is irrelevant. When did YOU actively and consciously choose to be gay or straight? Were you lying awake one night and saying to yourself "You know what? I'm going to be gay/straight starting tomorrow!!! I have decided to to like that boy/girl in my class...". If you are straight, can you choose to become gay (genuine mental, emotional, sexual attachment to the same gender) by tomorrow, in a week, month, year?

    Hopefully you'll see what conclusion these questions lead to. Being gay is NOT a choice. It might not be as apparent as skin color at the moment of birth, but it is something that develops overtime without a person's awareness. Kids don't even know what sexual attraction is until they happen to feel it out of the blue. All of us were surprised by the new sensation when were were younger. If modern society universally condemns discrimation against skin color, why is it such a leap to universally condemns discrimination against sexual orientation?"
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    • +1 +1 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "I think society is pretty good at condemning discrimination against sexual orientation. However, gay activists tend to consider any opposing position on homosexuality as being discriminatory. Most on the 'con' side of the debate are not saying that sexual orientation is a choice that's made in the blink of an eye, one that can easily be switched back and forth. We're just saying that it's not something you're born with, but rather a choice (conscious or subconscious) that develops over time through certain conditions. I think it's important to distinguish the difference between conditioned sexual orientation and something like skin color, which is apparent at birth and not the result of any sort of conditioning. This is an important distinction to make because if sexual orientation was so apparent at birth, I think there's less room for the discussion around the morality of homosexuality. On the other hand, if it is a conditioned choice over time, that does allow for discussion around the appropriateness of a homosexual lifestyle.

      I would imagine that pedophiles don't just decide one day to be pedophiles, but that certain conditioning over time leads them to that lifestyle choice. And they are certainly not born that way."
    • +1 +1 0 The Jeff Aug. 31, 2011
      "Thank you!! You see it the way I do: Why is this an issue!? "If modern society universally condemns discrimination against skin color..." my sentiments exactly."
  • +1 +1 0 CeCe Apr. 24, 2014
    "I think the real question to ask is: When did people decide that they're straight?"
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  • +1 +1 0 Anon Apr. 10, 2014
    "I don't know and I don't care. Don't treat sexuality like its a birth defect. Love who you want to love and don't let religion or your opinion get in the way of other people's happiness."
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  • +1 +1 0 Jaya Jan. 25, 2014
    "I wanted to talk about weather people should accept gays. I just wanted to say one thing: Since I'm a lesbian and a HUGE Trekkie, If you don't already know, the first lesbian kiss in Star Trek was in DS9 in the '90's. People had about as much hate about the episode, (called: "Rejoined") as they did in the 60's when there was the first interracial kiss, (which was also the first interracial kiss on tv). The reason I want to talk about this is because of one story I read about a response to the lesbian kiss: One man called and complained to a Production assistant that the lesbian kiss would corrupt kids' minds. The PA asked if he would like it of one woman shot the other instead, the man said that would be okay with him, the PA then wondered whose mind was really corrupted. one woman killing another Vs. one woman kissing another. Get your priorities straight, (or should I say gay)."
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  • +1 +1 0 Gillian Nov. 24, 2013
    "Yeah. I think people's personalities are predetermined in their genes. Obviously this has a way with the nature vs. nurture issue, but when we hear parents talk about their children these days they already know from their childhood patterns that their child is gay. There isn't any parenting style that makes a person gay, it's just who they are. Most people who have a gay child have other children that aren't gay. They can't change who they are. There is no reason why we should call this a mental disorder. Being gay is being a person. Some people are outgoing, some people are shy, and some people are gay. When I was a younger child the word "gay" was a bad word. I don't understand why considering my parents are democrats and are openly okay with people of that society. It was just the way of living. "Gay" shall not be spoken. That's wrong. That's like saying "shy" shall not be spoken. It's simply a describing word for people who fit the stereotype. Don't judge. We're all different."
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  • +1 +1 0 Rose Nov. 22, 2013
    "I am bisexual. That's just the way I am. For a long time I hated myself for it. I was terrified, I was angry, and I was sad. I've learned to accept it over the years, and now I'm okay with being who I am, but for such a long time I lived in fear. My question to you is: why would anyone choose that? Why would anyone choose to be afraid when they could be happy? Nobody would choose a life of hiding when they could be free. I didn't choose any of this, yet I've learned to live with it. I'm happy the way I am, but that certainly isn't how it was when I first discovered my sexuality. I honestly don't understand why people think we chose to be discriminated against, to be ostracized and seen as inferior just because of who we love. Just like you cannot choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose sexuality. It's just the way you are, and it amazes me how people can't accept something as simple as that."
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  • +1 +3 -2 Lisa Oct. 22, 2013
    "My 1st life experience with a girl was at 5 yrs old. I had a best pal who was so cute and we hung out all the time.Hopscotch sleep overs and holding hands as well as kisses on the cheek. I didnt like the boys cause they were icky and smelled and were to rough. I come from a household of straight parents who loved each other til my step father found alchohol and ptsd.There was a point in my life growing up where I was getting counceling because I felt out of body meaning not n the right body. I knew my whole entire life I am a bisexual woman. Nothing more and nothing less. You are definitly born the way you are."
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  • +1 +1 0 charlotte Mar. 30, 2013
    "Being gay is like being straight, its just your sexual orientation. We are looking way to in to it, you never here people saying you are born straight. You are born YOU, whether your gay, straight, bisexual, transgender. People are so afraid of the word gay because we are brought up in a society that believes it is "unnatural". Well guess what the definition of natural is: "Existing in or caused by nature" Well, gay people are PEOPLE too, they were created by nature so why are they called unnatural."
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  • +1 +2 -1 Kate Jan. 20, 2013
    "It's neither!!!!!!!! Neither side can be definitively proven with scientific evidence. Regardless, the derivation of homosexuality should be irrelevant. What matters is the discrimination that exists in the US against homosexuals. There should be a focus to end that. Not get to the end of a stupid debate."
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  • +1 +3 -2 Sophia Goenner Dec. 7, 2012
    "yes i do think that people are born gay."
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  • +1 +4 -3 Bobby Nov. 30, 2012
    "WE CAN'T HELP IT. We're born this way, most of us hate it."
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  • +1 +2 -1 RC^2 Aug. 13, 2012
    "I believe that Sexuality is determined at birth, or before birth actually.... Im leaning more towards conception. I am gay and have been for as far back as I can remember. I have always been attracted to males and am kind of feminine. I am also a Christian, so balancing out the christian values and my sexuality is kind of difficult. People say that I "chose" to be gay, but in reality I didnt. My church wants me to be straight, but I would have to choose to be straight. See, this is where the conflict is. I didnt choose to be gay, but to follow the church i MUST CHOOSE to be straight. I think that that is unfair. No one should be forced to choose their sexuality, or forced to "mend" or "fix" what is an innate characteristic."
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  • +1 +2 -1 PA Aug. 4, 2012
    "the herd has been mythed into a new religion. and the gay religion was born. the more i read on the science and psychological data of homosexuals and observe the ones around me i feel most are not born gay but feel some may be. some are just promiscuous and will sleep with anyone (and maybe anything,not kidding), some are ugly and take the easy way out and go gay, some are scorned by the opposite sex, and some i believe patterned themselves after the wrong parent.

    the horrific ignorance of the gay religion followers just making things up as they go and only hearing what they want to hear reminds me of conversations with religious people, even worse at times because your myths are new and being made up every day right in front of you and you cant even see it.

    i used to be very liberal and i noticed the liberal radio theme went from 'we're born this way,leave them alone' to 'stay out of our bedrooms and leave them alone' signifying to me that the host has also read the science and psychology and sees the gay push for proof falling short again and again and cannot hide from it and cannot lie past the intellectual audience."
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  • +1 +3 -2 Nick Jun. 29, 2012
    "As a gay teen living in South Dakota, I do not see why anyone would choose to be gay. I am not out to anyone for fear of physical harm, being disowned, and harassment. If I had a choice in the matter I would easily have chosen to be straight. I haven't looked up many research findings, but I feel it is something that you cannot change."
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  • +1 +4 -3 Alex Flaherty Apr. 16, 2012
    "im pro because i am gay and I've always known. I've always liked guys and i know its not a choice because i have tried to be with girls in the past, and i just cant be happy with a woman. if it was a choice, then i would be able to date girls. does someone who thinks its a choice thinks i wake up every morning and say, "I'm going to make everything harder for the rest of my life so i hope i get bullied at school today, i hope i get beaten to death, i hope i get picked on and isolated so badly that i kill myself today.""
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  • +1 +4 -3 chris Apr. 5, 2012
    "I felt the need to weigh in just because of some misconceptions and to give some examples, personally I don't think it's a choice and many people seem to believe if there is a "gay gene" it should have died out as it were. But, genes do not work like that you inherit your characteristics from your family tree back to the beggining of humanity, there are also plenty of examples of specific sexual characteristics being mixed up between genders i.e. a bearded lady, definately female but exhibiting male facial hair and usually body hair as well, should these people be judged because of genetic confusion? black couples can have caucasion children and vice versa. just becauseyou carry a vertain gene doesn't mean you will pass it on.

    At the end of the day though is it really anyone elses business what 2 consenting adults do in their own lives?"
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  • +1 +8 -7 Jasmine Apr. 3, 2012
    "I don't see why people are "researching" as to why they believe people "choose" to be gay. You cannot simply "choose" to love someone, you are attracted to someone and feelings adapt further.
    You also can't be born gay through traits and family. Again, it's called emotions and feeling for another. There is no gay man that goes around hitting on all men too, stop complaining Mr. Straight Homophobe. (Lol.)
    No one chooses to be gay, who wants to choose losing friends, facing hardships in life over it, and more bullshit?
    No one, and no one can just choose to love someone of the opposite gender just to make everyone happy.
    So society, please shut up and get your 'facts' "STRAIGHT".
    I'm only 16 and even I have more sense than nimrods in the country, and I've had my facts 'straight' (haha) since I was very young, around 9 and all on my own as well.

    Love is love people. What can't anyone understand?"
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    • 0 +1 -1 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "Not much of what you're saying is factual, and "love" and "sexual orientation" are two separate things. This debate is about "sexual orientation", not "love". Love is just a word that people interpret in their own way to describe a set of emotions. That is completely separate from having a sexual inclination towards a specific gender. I think you have potential for more sense than "nimrods" in the country, but you are not there yet. Humble yourself, learn to distinguish between facts and emotion, and practice making better sense of your thoughts."
  • +1 +5 -4 korrine.s Apr. 3, 2012
    "i think that it is nature and truthfully everyone even the men trying to be all big and bad probaly had thoughts about another man same with a women. Most gays i know are from all races and classes like i know rich and poor. Gay isnt how your raised it just comes naturally as someone grows up they also get their own personality. THEY CANT CHANGE IT. thats them and how they live there life."
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  • +1 +7 -6 Becca Mar. 29, 2012
    "I doubt that sexual orientation is the way you were raised. My household is Christian and fine with whoever's orientation. I have many Gay friends and I myself am gay, we have all lived in different family dynamics. It is not something i believe is a "choice". because, believe you me, for 90% of my high school life, i tried to convert straight. It doesnt work."
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    • +1 +1 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "For 90% of my adult life I tried to stop using drugs to no avail. Just because my brain is conditioned w/ certain patterns (to use drugs), which makes it very difficult for me to stop, it doesn't mean that it isn't possible and that I can't choose to stop using drugs at any moment (or even work towards creating a new life for myself w/out drugs).

      Also, there are plenty of dynamics that lead people toward drug use, just as there are plenty of dynamics that keep people away from it. Just because those dynamics are not the same in any case, doesn't mean that the factors of those dynamics were not the main contributors toward drug use."
  • +1 +5 -4 Jennifer Mar. 19, 2012
    "If you are two people in a committed loving relationship then there is nothing to condemn. It is the multiple partner random sex that is harmful. You must be true to who you know yourself to be. Do not live a lie. What's important is to practice acceptance, forgiveness, and love. I don't believe anyone would purposely choose to be hated or abandoned by their family, therefore I don't believe someone chooses to be gay. I thank God for putting gay people in my life to teach me true love and acceptance of my fellow man."
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    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jul. 28, 2012
      "This is about whether or not you're born gay, not about whether it is right or wrong. I don't know what basis you have for determining that gay/straight monogamous relationships are healthier than polyamorous relationships or how that is relevant to the discussion.

      Are pedophiles born that way? Clearly, they would not choose a life that labels them as the scum of society. Different conditions throughout their life lead to their choosing a life of pedophilia. I am 31 and there are plenty of teenage females that I find sexually attractive, but my upbringing and social conditioning cause me to choose not to engage underage females in a sexual nature.

      I argue that the same way no one is born a pedophile, no one is born w/ a specific sexual orientation either, but rather different forms of conditioning ultimately form our choice to be gay, straight, pedophiles, etc. etc. It's not a choice that happens or can be changed over night, but it is also not something that can be diagnosed at birth."
  • +1 +10 -9 Dennis P Mix Oct. 27, 2011
    "I was born Gay and I don't care who knows. I favored boy over girls all my life and I started oral sex when I was 6 years old some dr. try to tell people that it is environmental. I had a good home life and a great childhood so you going to tell me it is all in my mind. I will just have to disagree."
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    • +1 +2 -1 Waffle Mar. 29, 2012
      ""Being homo or hetero is a choice, you can't just plainly be homosexual when you come out of yo mama. What, did that one experence when you were in contact with a vagina turn you around?""
  • +1 +12 -11 Taner G. Oct. 18, 2011
    "Before you STRAIGHT people comment saying that being gay is a choice, how about you ask a GAY person, like myself? I know one thing for sure: I definitely did not choose to be gay. I can't say for a fact whether I was born gay... or if my upbringing made me gay, but I'm gay and that's all I know. I've known since elementary school when I had a crush on my (then) best friend's cousin. Just because some people are gay does not mean that the rest of the people (the MAJORITY) get to decide how we live our lives."
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    • -3 +1 -4 Waffle Feb. 13, 2012
      ""Before you GAY people comment, maybe you didn't choose to be gay, but you choose that person to fall in love with.""
  • +1 +18 -17 Ethan Aug. 28, 2011
    "I am gay; I would change that about me if I could to make life for me so much easier. But I can't, so I know I was born this way."
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    • -2 +2 -4 chantell Dec. 7, 2011
      "lier your not gay"
  • 0 0 0 Jaclyn Apr. 30, 2014
    "People know what they like when they are little. No one tells them who they should or shouldn't like; they choose for themself. That's what people don't understand. No one sat these children or teens down and TOLD them to be gay. It was their choice. And it's who they are. I'm not gonna judge no child of mine if they come out like the same sex. It's their life, stop trying to control them."
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  • 0 0 0 Ashley Feb. 21, 2014
    "Did you choose to be straight? I don't think so. I don't even know why this is a debate because it's obvious people don't just go "choosing" what they are attracted to. If I could choose to like carrots over carrot cake, I would. It really doesn't take a genius to figure this one out."
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 19, 2014
      "But if you look at the question at the top of the page, you haven't answered it: Is sexual orient'n determined at birth? Don't blame me if the bosses of ProCon.org asked the wrong question, or failed to ask that related question, but it seems most of the people here are answering the question of whether sex attraction is chosen, as a substitute for the question that they asked.

      Do you think your preference for carrot cake over carrots was determined at birth? How would you investigate the stage at which one's preference between carrots & carrot cake is determined?"
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Mar. 1, 2014
      "Actually, I did choose to be straight. It's not something I'm born with; I do it because I want to, and because that's the mindset I choose to stick to. I think that it's not a matter of birth but a matter of switching or staying with the frame of your mind.I could choose right here right now to be gay if I wanted to. I just don't."
  • 0 0 0 Risha Rene Feb. 15, 2014
    "Sexual orientation and sexual ACTS and behaviors are two completely different things. Therefore, I am both Pro and Con on this. A person cannot control who they are attracted to. But it is fair to ask 1) what causes the attraction? and 2) is any person required to act on the attraction? It is difficult to know what goes on in another person's head.There is obviously a legitimate attraction to the same gender. But I think it is fair for us to ask why. Is it purely physical? Sexuality is too complex for that. Liberal and pro-gay rights professors, scholars, scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists have said so. There are many reasons people are attracted to another and it isn't just their anatomy. So the idea that sexuality or attraction is FIXED and can NEVER be changed is false. Secondly, no gay or straight person is required to act on their attraction. Therefore, one can be gay mentally but not sexually, just as a straight person can. I would think that gay people would be offended by the underlying assumption that that their attractions are purely physical (they are shallow) and that they are incapable of controlling those attractions so they must have sex. Being gay does not mean one is required to live that out."
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  • 0 0 0 Cienna Feb. 14, 2014
    "i wasnt born gay or different i just think its alrite that people that r gay or lesbaian should hav the same rights as us .......i really dont like it wen people make fun of those people who r .......its shouldnt b a wrong thing ...its how people feel about others just it can b the same sex its not good wen u people that r gay treat them different"
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  • 0 0 0 rextr Feb. 9, 2014
    "I have read many con arguments on this site & it is often stated that this or that study has shown ...... without mentioning the specific study parameters or others state, "it has been shown ......" without giving any back up for their argument. Faulty reasoning.
    Because it is still a mute point, we all can speak of conjecture. During my long coaching career, I have witnessed very young children growing up. The boys that seemed to be effeminate at the early age seemed to stay that way with no apparent reason for it. So therefore, I believe it is genetic. (The observations I have made over the years are much more complicated than what I have just stated, nonetheless, it does span about 40 years of coaching baseball & wrestling."
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 19, 2014
      "That's especially interesting to me because I too coach children (football). Apparently you're taking effeminacy in boys as a marker for homosexuality, which is not too unreasonable a hypothesis. It may be that effeminacy in boys helps cause homosexuality, or it may be that something causes both effeminacy & homosexuality in boys. Unfortunately your observ'ns don't go back to birth. Perhaps someone could do a longer-term blinded prospective study that would indeed do that. Unfortunately it could take more than a lifetime to develop expertise in gauging effeminacy in baby boys, but the ability to so discriminate and make predictions would be the subject of the study."
  • 0 +1 -1 Jaya Jan. 25, 2014
    "Yes, because I'm a lesbian and I have been since birth.
    SOURCE: Personal experience. :)"
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  • 0 0 0 Devon B. Jan. 21, 2014
    "This is coming from someone who is themselves gay. I have grown up believing that being gay was a bat thing, due to the amount of times people mentioned it in a negative way. I would stop myself whenever I noticed I would think of other guys. In grade 9 I noticed that the few gay people in my school were out and everyone accepted them, however I still didn't want to admit that I liked guys. After having a 6 month relationship with a girl who I thought I loved, I broke up with her because I realized that I didn't want to do anything more than a little peck on the lips. I didn't choose not to, but something was telling me that I just didn't want to go further with this girl, or any girl for that matter. My homosexuality was being internally suppressed and later released when I found out that in society it is becoming accepted and it isn't an immoral thing. I am a normal person, I pride myself on being courteous to others, and to do my best on not offending anyone. I just happen to like other guys."
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  • 0 0 0 Max Dec. 9, 2013
    "As my friend puts it, "Why would I choose to be something that could get me killed? Why would I choose to be something that is oppressed and hated by millions?""
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  • 0 0 0 Wyatt Oelkers Dec. 8, 2013
    "If a heterosexual can tell me when they chose to be straight, I'll be damned. It's not a choice; it's a predetermined trait. We as a society need to accept that."
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  • 0 0 0 m Norris Dec. 4, 2013
    "How is this even debated anymore? I feel like Columbus arguing the World is Round! In response to the umpteen Doctors stating that the only medical professionals who have come to this conclusion are themselves homosexuals, how does that better serve your argument? How could a straight doctor have a better understanding of the determination of homosexuality than a doctor that has in fact lived it? Why do we criminalize first hand knowledge as if it is without a doubt bias? And then in the same breath make a second or third hand determination? It ludicrous! WANT TO KNOW IF SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS DETERMINED AT BIRTH? Ask someone who is homosexual about their first sexual thoughts and then ask someone who is heterosexual about their first sexual thoughts. Case closed. We are the same, just different. You have a big nose, I have tiny ears. You prefer oranges, I prefer apples. Womp Womp, Nobody cares. As people, we need to stop looking for ways to put others "over there"- at a distance. "Here" seems like a very lonely place.
    What's the purpose of this debate anyways? What does the determination of this debate affect? Even if it were a choice, which it is not, why would that be significant?"
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  • 0 0 0 (._. ) Nov. 26, 2013
    "I agree with Victor Greywolf, but I never chose to be gay. I didn't want to be gay at all, yet I've known something was different about me since middle of first grade when I started finding boys cute. Ever since then, I've had to hide my true self from everyone, and when I did come out, I was fired from 2 separate jobs, lost quite a few friends and my grandma refuses to talk to me. Who would want that if being gay was a choice? I am suffering from depression (caused by things outside of being gay) but it got worse because I had to hold my true self in, I've already attempted suicide, and I'm not even 19 yet. Once again, if being gay was a choice, who on earth would want that?"
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  • 0 +1 -1 JL Sep. 5, 2013
    "Obviously, everyone who is gay KNOWS it as a child, or at least knows they dont feel the "normality" others the same sex do whom are not gay."
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  • 0 +2 -2 Kamaren Oct. 11, 2012
    "homosexuality in animals, to me, shows that it is obviously a natural occurrence not a choice."
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  • -1 +1 -2 Pooh Nov. 19, 2013
    "You are born gay. No one chooses to have their own family hate them."
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  • -1 0 -1 Kristen Bassford Sep. 10, 2013
    "Even if homosexuality was a result of how they were raised, people are raised to be drug addicts, child molesters, spouse abusers, murderers, and psychopaths. All those things are unfortunate lifestyles, and can be reversed. But they are still allowed to get married and have children. What's the only reason people don't want the LGBT community to be granted equal rights? Religion. But there is a separation of church and state. Your bible cannot influence my rights as an American Citizen."
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  • -1 +1 -2 Arianna Sep. 2, 2013
    "My brother is gay and I have no doubt he was born with it! It doesn't change the love my family has for him. We loved him before he told and we love him the same after! I'm doing research paper on gay genetics that they are born with it. This website has really helped! I can't wait to learn more!"
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  • -1 +2 -3 Concerned May. 7, 2013
    "I read that it is determined before birth when the mother's body becomes to unstable or the environment becomes a hazard to the fetus (such as the mother infected with the flu) at a certain point in the pregnancy alters the formation of hormones for later in life. So technically it is before birth but does not take effect until puberty."
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  • -1 +2 -3 jose luis pablo juan Apr. 22, 2013
    "Can there be any doubt that homosexuality is a matter of nature not nurture? There is absolutely no choice involved. If there was a choice, nobody would be gay. What person would consciously choose a lifestyle which must be kept secret. The gay person stands the chance of being disowned and evicted by their parents, losing their job, being constantly ridiculed, and is a prime candidate for a hate crime. So with all this as a given, who would really choose to be gay? People always want to do what is socially acceptable and being gay is surely no one of them. I ask my straight friends when did you make your choice and they all look at me mystified. I just come right out and ask them when they made this critical decision. The answer is always the same, they didn't make a choice, "that's just the way I am." So when the majority of the population can't ever recall making a sexual orientation decision, why do they feel that gay's do. The fact that gay youth must hide their true identity often leads to extreme depression and suicide still remains the leading cause of death among gay teenagers. The evidence has been in for a long time. Therefore, I can't understand how this nature/nurture issue is still out there."
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  • -1 +1 -2 Sid Apr. 4, 2013
    "I think in some cases it is, some it isnt. I've been pretty sure my whole life that I could love anyone reguardless of their gender. but at the same time I know many people who never looked at the same sex that way until they were much older. It's not a choice, but I think some people are born gay and some are not."
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  • -1 +1 -2 Christine Driskill Apr. 2, 2013
    "It most definitely is determined at birth. I've known many gays whether they were childhood friends or family, they all knew something was different as a child. I guess it wasn't until they reached sexual maturity is when they figured out they were. NONE of them said they decided this on their own. I'm not a doctor, I am just determining this on my own experiences and no one can "turn" someone gay by doing something. That's crazy."
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  • -1 +1 -2 CRISS Mar. 4, 2013
    "ummm first of all no one chooses to be born gay or straight it just happens and second there is no gay gene or no gay or straight trait it all depends on how much testosterone and estrogen the baby gets and if the baby gets any of the opposites hormones then the baby pops out gay big whoop its not a big deal it happens randomly you will never find a gay gene n anyone just look at the hormones of the people"
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  • -1 +1 -2 Mike Angelastro Feb. 28, 2013
    "Based on the Declaration of Independence, it doesn't matter whether a person's sexual orientation is nature or nurture. All adults have the right to engage in sexual activity with all other willing adults regardless of gender; this is an inherent part of the universal inalienable right to pursue happiness. So it seems to me that a pro/con here is not relevant."
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  • -1 +5 -6 susan Sep. 4, 2012
    "If you think being gay is a choice, then please tell me about the day YOU made your choice. I am straight and never had a choice, so why would you think ANYONE has a choice"
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  • -1 +2 -3 Antonella Taylor Aug. 20, 2012
    "I believe that you are born homosexual. It's not like you got up one morning and decided to be gay. It is wrong to condemn them for who they are yes you have the freedom to speak your mind or act cruel towards them but think what if that could be your child one day. Do you really think many of them enjoy what go through day in and day out? Of course not, for many they wish they could be straight to live what they believe could be a happier path. I come from a very religious family yet my uncle, brother, and cousin are gay. My uncle tried to go against it he knew he could kill his mother from stress. He was in an unhappy marriage for nearly 12 years he broke my ex-aunt's heart but he couldn't keep living a lie. My cousin just came out two months ago everybody knew he was except his mother she was blind to it. She's in that church every minute and she believes there a big thunder storm every time a gay rights act is passed. When he tried to tell her what he was she refused him said other people told him that's what he was. Funny thing was when I said everybody knew I meant our fellow family members, and none of us had ever brought the topic up for discussion."
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  • -1 +1 -2 Phil Bickel Jun. 26, 2012
    "I am honestly trying to determine this answer for myself. What I find however is mostly opinion and very little raw, or reliable statistics. My gut tells me that Lesbians and Gay men have nothing in common, and there are likely multiple causes for male homosexuality, including gender confusion caused my imcomplete sex determination at birth, ( effeminate men, masculine women etc. ). There are also issues of molestation, and personal experience, parenting etc. I am not a scientiest, but just a person searching for answers. I am mostly concerned about what we are teaching our children, not any fear of, or hatred for homosexuals. This seems to be a really taboo subject for honest reserach. I don't trust UC Davis or the FRC, they have agendas, they are the most often cited."
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  • -1 +3 -4 miatta May. 17, 2012
    "i believe dat being gay is and isnt a choice for sum ppl....u have ppl that are gay n wish they wasnt but then u have ppl that will try sumthing just because everybody else do it"
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  • -1 +2 -3 Anon Apr. 28, 2012
    "I know this isn't given as much consideration, but I've long thought being gay or bi or transgender or intersex were all caused mostly not by genetics or upbringing, but by (presumably hormonal) influences in the womb, at critical later stages of brain sensitivity. Depending on how you define the nature/nurture distinction, that could fall on either side. It's there at birth and before social influence, but it's technically environmental too.

    People never seem to give prenatal development much credit, because they don't understand it's influence. Genes aren't a magical blueprint that map out a human. They map proteins and (indirectly) certain behavioral tendencies, but more importantly here they map a procedural method for *creating* a human. Not just the blueprints for a bridge, but the intricate, engineered process that allows such a thing to be built and unfold in such an elegant manner in the first place. Prenatal development very often means more than minor genetic influences. Little things in the womb make a huge difference from that moment on.

    And while the brain might be more sensitive once the body is mostly determined, it is still what ultimately defines the person.

    I'll put my more general ideas in another comment."
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  • -1 +11 -12 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
    "I have studied brain development, as well as, been taught to critically examine research (aka question all sides of it and look for potential errors in validity or reliability and scientific rigorousness.) One has only to look at the section of this website entitled "Peer-Reviewed Studies on Sexuality Since 1990" and you find that modern research is finding both genetic and biological differences between heterosexual and homosexual individuals. There 10 pro-bio/genetic homosexual research studies, two neutrals that still suggest biological if not genetic differences, and only two cons that were both subjective survey research- not showing any biological or genetic connections at all.
    As someone who supports homosexuality, it pains me to say that recent research suggests that neurobiological development does occur, in some ways, in response to environmental and developmental stimulus. So, really, the tests that have found genetic markers and the twin studies are the only ones answering whether someone is born gay- but 5 of the pro-bio/genetic research articles on this site fit that description.
    Still, I don't believe that science will persuade people who are vehemently anti-gay."
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  • -1 +13 -14 Daniel Smeriglio Sep. 4, 2011
    "I have a very close friend. He has been openly gay since he was in the eighth grade. His parents hate him for it. His mother asks him every day if he is straight yet. His father ridicules him for being gay. He was sent to a gay camp, where they attempted to give him electroshock treatments, posing as "therapy sessions". He has battled depression and tried to hide who he is. Today, he is healthy, happy, and 100% gay.

    When I read about the idea that being gay is caused by "environmental factors" and that being gay is "treatable" or "reversible", I feel genuinely sick. People that say that being gay is a choice. For years, I used to pray to God that He would make me straight. I lived in constant fear of being judged for who i am as a person. Saying that being gay is a choice is like saying being blonde is a choice. There may be some environmental factors that influence your hair color, but by and large genetics will decide what you look like. No one likes being laughed at for being a dumb blonde, and no one likes being discriminated against for being homosexual. Choosing to be gay is a very poor choice. I know it's one I did not want to make, and I doubt anyone else would want to make it."
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    • 0 0 0 Wilber Stone Jan. 8, 2014
      "I earnestly believe, you're being paid to author this.
      It's practically word for word, if not completely so, of dozens of others, who all have nothing to defend their claims on, except to say, they're right, and everyone else is wrong and should be dealt with, much the way Hitler and Stalin thought by the way.
      I've seen the homosexual run organizations who advertise, "sublimely" of course, for people to "fill" posts, forums, and author "real life" stories, (and claim, they needn't be real) so as to counter the truth of others and make sure the said forums always have more homosexually positive endorsements than negative ones?
      How much do they pay you?
      And for the record, there is no such thing as a "happy healthy" homosexual, and "that" is well documented. It's also not true, they're the most miserable, diseased bunch of people because people are always being mean to them? They're miserable because they KNOW they are in a state of rebellion, and it's not getting them where the "rich and famous" homosexuals told them it would? Just remember, your words are effecting children, and causing them to engage in anti-family rebellion, in effect, you're the one ripping families apart?"
  • -2 +1 -3 Rebecca Mar. 4, 2014
    "Why would someone choose to be gay? YOU CAN'T CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't help what you feel!! You don't have control over who you love/like. JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T CHOOSE TO BE A GIRL OR A BOY. You DON'T choose what ethnicity you are. Feelings are something you're obviously meant to have."
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  • -2 0 -2 Emily Rose Feb. 7, 2014
    "The evolutionary advantage to homosexuality has been proven, so it must be genetic. If one male offspring is attracted to other males, then the female sibling will be more attracted to men as well, and thus, have more offspring as a result of that. This phenomenon wouldn't occur if homosexuality wasn't a trait to be born with, along with any other hereditary trait. So yes, in my opinion, gays are "born gay", and shouldn't be denied basic rights (after all, racism, based on another hereditary trait, is immoral and wrong; why shouldn't homophobia be the same?)."
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  • -2 0 -2 Jaya Dec. 26, 2013
    "I am a lesbian. Yes, people are born gay. Yes, some people don't agree. Yes, they are wrong to not agree. There is no such thing as an "ex-gay." They use guilt and "god" stuff in the anti-gay camps. I've heard its terrible."
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  • -2 +1 -3 Perry Tanko Aug. 20, 2013
    "I am quite annoyed by the christofascists and religious fundies that use The Holy Bible to justify their antiquated and hypocritical beliefs. Show me one bit of scientific proof that sexual orientation is a choice, you so-called 'Christians'. And yet, other Christians have better things to do know that the world is flexible... that the bible has a multitude of things missing (for instance, why is there nothing said about child abuse or for that matter, use of illegal substances?) and therefore a scientific and thoughtful look at the underlying issues should take place.

    SCIENCE. Learn that word, religious fundies!!"
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  • -2 +2 -4 Aruna Jun. 6, 2013
    "[I was born straight] but, I think we are born straight; how do you know what you like before you reach your teen years? I will never understand or comprehend this ever. If people have to live deep in the closet due to family, friends and co-worker who might be anti-gay; then I can understand that (if they cannot come out of the closet due to fears and maybe death; let them stay in the closet, it is their choice!!)

    I was raised and adopted by white lesbian parents (I wish I had straight parents instead) my brothers and I are straight and our mom "married" her 2nd partner (which I never liked or agreed with; my brothers never had a problem with them; I did!!) They are no longer together, but almost 25+ years, they still good friends to this day!!"
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  • -2 +1 -3 Eri Apr. 21, 2013
    "Homosexuality is definitely given at birth. You don't wake up one morning and all of a sudden decide that you are bisexual."
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  • -2 +4 -6 David Waszmer Oct. 4, 2012
    "Like Lady Gaga said (who I'm not a fan of), I was born this way."
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  • -2 +5 -7 Jesus Fernardo Apr. 24, 2012
    "Religion is gay and a choice. Not people being gay."
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  • -3 0 -3 Jennifer Jul. 2, 2013
    "I am a secondary transsexual (= a late in life transition), male to female, who is attracted to females. My understanding is that there is a ratio of hetero to homo sexuals in the transgendered population that closely mirrors the larger population. In my former life, I was considered hetero. Now, my sexual attractions are considered lesbian. Those who don't understand "identity" have difficulty understanding why someone attracted to females would transition to female (conflating gender with sexuality). After many years, I have found a curiosity with males, but even if I try it, and even if I enjoy it, and even if I expand my orientation, my core or fundamental attraction and orientation, I am overwhelmingly certain, will remain toward women.

    No genetic link has been found for either transsexualism or homosexuallism. Both are believed to be an effect of prenatal hormonal washes of the developing fetus. But in the case of TS, a physiological difference can be found in the brain from those fetal hormone baths. It has not been proved if the physical difference is causal, or a related effect. No such physical difference has yet to be found for LGB, hense this debate; but it is stable and apparent long before puberty."
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    • 0 0 0 Wilber Stone Jan. 8, 2014
      "Uh-huh, I counted 37 people in the last few articles on related subjects, including this page, claiming to be homosexual, and, who didn't believe it was genetic.
      They wipe out your novel, 37 to 1.
      As is "scientifically" documented, over 80 percent of lesbians were sexually traumatized (sodomized) and most likely, all but a few were. No doubt, there are some modern imitating "wanna-bes" who, thanks to hollywood, or smutville if I prefer, have glorified the behavior, even while their own people suffer from it's effects on their lives.
      This business of, "I didn't choose to be abnormal, any more than you chose to be normal" is as deceptively founded as saying the homosexuals have no linkage to pedophilia, even while the hundreds of thousands of documents saying otherwise, stare them in the face?
      Denial is really nice when you're side has infiltrated every media outlet, government agency, research institute, etc., and DENIED access and resources from ALL the professionals who expose the truth, hence, making the republic into a lazy orientated society who'd all swallow the drain-o if you told them it would aid their 401k or make their kid a genius saint? Then again, there's that darn truth thingy that keeps standing in the way?"
  • -3 +2 -5 Oak Apr. 7, 2013
    "im conflicted on this because of an experience that happened to me several months ago.for most of my life I was pretty sure I was straight I daydreamed about guys everyonce in a while but never really thought about girls or even considered.it. I had nothing against gays or lesbiens or bi people but I just was very sure since I had never been attracted to a girl.that kind of changed one day when my friends dared me to kiss a lesbian on a playground in my teenage years. truthfully I wasn't bothered by the idea because I never had my first kiss so I wanted to get it over with.so I did it actually enjoyed it even though it was a one time fling and then started to realize I was attracted to some girls.???however most of the girls in my school were straight so I dated a few guys instead. I didn't kiss a guy till this year. it was weird I didn't feel anything.so eventully broke it off. since that kiss im attracted to both girls and guys now but im leaning to girls more.i know this sounds strange but I think its a combination why I said pro I partially agree its genetics.however I think its highly possible when you open your mind to things that seem unsual you might like them.if I hadn't kissed that girl I still would think im straight."
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  • -3 +2 -5 bethany Nov. 26, 2012
    "If your lgbt people will make fun of you people will call your horible names and you could be physicly assulted because of it. Why would you choose to be hated on? You wouldnt"
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  • +69 +112 -43 Victor Greywolf Dec. 7, 2011
    "I think this is a difficult one to decide at best. As far as gender, yes, that is determined at birth, even if you're born in the wrong body. As far as orientation, that is usually determined at puberty. I know, there will be alot of people saying that other things determine orientation, and they are right to a certain point, but outside of that point, they are wrong. True some things, such as traumatic experience, enviornment, or whatever have you determine that, but those aren't all the factors, more like say 5% at best. Now, there are other factors also, like did they always have those feelings, and what scientists have determined as far as what really causes homosexuality, or bi, or lesbianism, and alot are just starting to show their findings.

    Is it determined at birth? Nobody really knows, and why would it matter, right? A person is a person regardless.

    End of story."
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    • 0 0 0 David Reddiker May. 17, 2014
      "*Before you click a single button, notice how this is unbiased*
      I enjoy your response because you did not take a side, and decided that it does not matter in the end. Yes I am leaning to the pro side, because the sense of equality in my mind is strong, but I have listened to the con side as well. In the end it doesn't matter when a person became gay, in the end it is just another meaningless point that gets in the way of the unity people should have for one another. I hope someone can agree."
  • +23 +74 -51 Anonymous Apr. 28, 2011
    "I don't think one is born gay or lesbian at birth. No medical professional has singled out a gene that defines whether one is going to be gay or lesbian, especially at birth. If one is supposedly born either gay or lesbian at birth, then why can't we say that we were born prejudice? I believe prejudice is a learned trait and that no child is born with prejudice. Can you imagine what the world would be like if each of us were born with prejudice? Not a nice place to live in."
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    • +1 +4 -3 Just Think Aug. 31, 2011
      "Kids tend to mimic the attitude and belief of their parents and the people around them, hence they learn and become prejudice from their surrounding. On the other hand, gay kids grow up in straight family and society expect them to be straight, but yet they still are gay. If being gay or straight is learned, just like prejudice or ignorance, there probably won't be any gay people."
    • +1 +1 0 The Jeff Aug. 31, 2011
      "I agree with what the reply is implying. We have a lot of genes, very complex DNA. I have seen a lot of comments against the idea of being born gay using a lack of evidence as their support. Not only is research mounting every day that supports the idea of being born gay, but claiming "I don't see any proof" is the weakest way to argue."
    • 0 0 0 Phil Bickel Jun. 26, 2012
      "I dont totally disagree with you, but prejudice may be an inate or born behavior. My dog doesn't like Black people, I've had to teach him to trust them and behave well around them. He has nearly the same reaction around anyone of a different race. I think prejudice, in him, is imprinted, the way pointing, or flushing is. He is a Brittany. Dogs were used for protection for milleniums, and were bred to protectors. It is not impossible to believe that humans are bred ( in a sense ) to distrust people who are different. It is almost a unviversal phenomenon that is undoubtedly also reinforced by nuturing as well. Homosexuality could be very similar. Both inate and nutured, one or the other, or both."
    • 0 +2 -2 vinathi Feb. 2, 2012
      "For the person who asked if there is a gene to make you straight: Why would there be? Everyone is born straight. That was the point of the comment."
    • 0 +1 -1 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
      "You know, I don't really think that scientific proof will change your mind that you think homosexuality is wrong. However, your argument about genes is weak- there's a section on this website- over on the left- entitled "Peer-Reviewed Studies on Sexuality Since 1990." You can find quite a few articles that have suggest biological and genetic differences for homosexual and heterosexual people... #13 shows a summary of the results of a genetic study that found evidence of a marker on the sex chromosome Xq28 that indicates, with a very high statistical confidence level, that at least certain subtypes of homosexuality are inherited."
    • 0 +5 -5 Sara Aug. 4, 2011
      "is it a gene that makes u straight? just wondering.."
  • +16 +49 -33 Dylan May. 19, 2011
    "I'm in a bit of a difficult position here trying to express my opinion here, considering how black and white a choice between "pro" and "con" is. Overall, I'm very skeptical of the idea that sexual orientation is be entirely genetic, there's a great deal of evidence that nurture plays a significant or at least appreciable role in many mental traits. On the other hand, I would be shocked to discover that no correlation exists between genes and sexual orientation. I'd also not quite call sexual orientation a choice, at least not in the sense that it is a consciously made decision, nor would I call any role of conscious decision making in determining sexual orientation a wrong choice."
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    • +2 +3 -1 Devil's Advocate Dec. 21, 2011
      "Talking about and depending on "correlations" is a very dangerous thing...especially when applied inappropriately. I'm sure you've heard of the saying: "Correlation does not equal Causation". Also the level of correlation can determine significance or insignificance. But then again...these days anyone can twist information to suit their agenda...-_-"
    • 0 0 0 CeCe Apr. 24, 2014
      "I have to disagree. Although there hasn't really been any "real" proof that there's a God that lives in Heaven that watches over us, the Bible is still the most popular book.

      I have to disagree with your "born prejudice" statement. I mean, being prejudice is exactly that "pre - judging" a person before you know them, and today, that has become an immediate reaction. I mean, we all have the ability to have an opinion and judge things and people. Unless a person is telling their child what to think, we're just constantly judging things without even realizing it. Let me give you an example, just place 2 random paintings in from of you, only look at them for a few seconds, you may not know anything about it, but you might love one and absolutely hate the other. Just from looking at it for a few seconds. You might not really know about art or anything, but you already formed an opinion about them. It's kind of the same way with kids. Unless their mothers or guardians or whoever influenced what to like and what not to, people just form opinions, without knowing the whole story."
  • +15 +32 -17 C0D3 Jan. 9, 2012
    "I love gays. My post is not trying to target them in any way. I, myself, am pan sexual. I honestly do not believe that one is born gay. I believe that when you're born, everything is a clean slate. You learn your morals and values through you experiences. Without society pushing the "traditional relationship" on everyone, I would guess that more than half of us would be bisexual. I do believe that some people are gay at a young age, but not from genetics."
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    • +1 +3 -2 C0D3 Jan. 10, 2012
      "*your
      Pardon."
  • +11 +17 -6 Greta Aug. 22, 2012
    "As a lesbian woman in a happy, committed relationship, I have no strong feelings toward either position because I understand the science concerning the matter is either inconclusive or speculative.

    I've only put my answer on the Con side because my own anecdotal experiences have led me to believe there is no single universal experience for all gay people.

    Personally, I don't believe I made a conscious decision to be attracted to women, but I would be lying if I said sexuality isn't at least somewhat constructed by complex personal, social, and emotional interactions. As animals we are programmed to reproduce, and anything beyond that is incidental. I don't understand why making a choice to be gay would be a problem.

    It's my opinion that the gay community is picking the wrong way to oppose the anti-gay movement. Whether or not homosexual behavior is innate or not has nothing to do with the social or ethical implications of that behavior, and is definitely not sufficient cause for discrimination on that basis alone. Time would be more efficiently spent forming an ethical framework explaining why gays deserve equality under the law irrespective of choice."
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    • 0 0 0 William Dec. 27, 2012
      "Excellent reply, and I too posted on the con side but as a committed heterosexual. Focusing on equality and ethical treatment would be a far better focus for the gay community than to bringing down marriage, which gives each of us a mother and father. One might say that support for gay marriage IS equality, but that ignores the basic purpose of marriage by so believing. God must be a homophobe for that I guess."
  • +10 +19 -9 Summer Feb. 28, 2012
    "I don't think that its determined at birth or that its a choice. I don't think you just choose to like someone, whether they are a boy or girl. There ARE some people who like people for their personality and not their looks or gender, you know. Don't base everything on stereotypes."
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  • +5 +5 0 Duke Nov. 18, 2013
    "NO one was either born straight nor gay, or any other type of sexuality. Every single human was born with polymorphic perversity, and we each develop our sexuality as we mature."
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  • +5 +17 -12 Peter Jul. 26, 2012
    "If today I CHOOSE to be considered homosexual, who can rightfully say that I am not? If tomorrow I CHOOSE to be considered heterosexual, who can rightfully say that I am not? The CHOICE is mine alone to make and no one can diagnose, prove, or force me otherwise. Also, with exception to forced sex (rape), we ultimately CHOOSE our sexual partners and all sexual relationships are formed by some level of NURTURING. I fear a day when our sexual orientation and our sexual partners cease to be a choice of our own. If the PRO side of the argument should ever actually find a shred of evidence supporting their position, so begins a time where doctors, law, society choose our sexual orientation for us, regardless of our CHOICE in the matter."
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    • 0 0 0 Alek Feb. 6, 2014
      "you can choose to say you're gay but you can't choose to be attracted to a specific sex. some people are more fluid with their sexuality but just as often there are people who are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. they didn't choose to be attracted to them, so they didn't choose to be gay."
  • +5 +38 -33 Andrea Jul. 28, 2011
    "Take a look at society even a 100 years ago. People married, procreated....there was very rarely any instances of "gayness" as compared to today, a time when being gay has become the new fad. Ancient cultures had periods of this same up and down, the Greeks in particular, which leans itself to homosexuality being a lifestyle choice permeated into a liberalized culture where perversion becomes permissible. Scientists say genes account for less than 30% of how a human turns out - the other 70% are social factors and outside factors (ie: chemicals, etc. another interesting possibility as to why some men are femininized and some women masculinized - chemical exposure in utero, food sources, air supply, etc.). Being gay goes againt evolution and many religions in their most basic tenets, revealing both culture and science do merge in many ways on this issue. The bottom line is that until a small minority of interestingly backwards homosexuals became the squeaky wheel of society, 99% of men and women were content to be...men and women. This is a label created and pushed by a small group - now growing group - of perverse lobbyists."
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    • +3 +4 -1 Daniel Sep. 4, 2011
      "Let's see...ancient culture didn't have many gay people because those societies shunned the gay community on the whole...just because the ancient Greeks were naked in the Olympics doesn't mean they were gay...the environmental factors that you are referencing are almost 10 years out of date...being gay is a naturally occurring factor in the environments... just because it goes against religion doesn't mean it's bad. talking with women on their periods is banned in the Bible (Leviticus 15: 19-20) but we all do that...and finally, scientists now estimate that less than 10% of society are completely straight.

      P.S. Not sure where you got the thing about the perverse lobbyists. Homosexuals actually the one fighting these claims.

      P.P.S. Thanks for calling us the "squeaky wheel of society" and "backwards". That's not an argument, that's just offensive."
    • +1 +2 -1 The Jeff Aug. 31, 2011
      "Really no evidence in your comment, just a claim and several assumptions."
    • 0 0 0 Risha Rene Feb. 15, 2014
      "I hope you realize that is a very weak argument. I believe in the Bible's standards for sexuality and marriage, and believe all gay people should be treated with kindness and respect. You are basically saying something is 'right' because of how it's always been. Good thing morality is no respecter of time. Because if so, women would not be allowed to vote, go to college or own land. After all, that was not the way things went for THOUSANDS of years. Same applies to minority ethnic and religious groups who have been denied basic rights in human history. Find other arguments please. Many good ones found on this site."
    • 0 0 0 call me bobby Jul. 23, 2012
      "Here's the problem. 100 years ago show a hint of homosexuality and the zealously religious, extremely homophobic society of the day will lynch you as soon as they look at you. And you did have instances of homosexuality back in those days. They called it "gross indecency" and the locked you up for it. Now, the reason why there were more open about it in ancient Greece was that Greeks were less homophobic and didn't hang you for looking at a man the wrong way. Gay is not a fad, the fad here is open mindedness, and I hope, like pants and equal rights, it's here to stay"
    • -2 +1 -3 Vinathi Apr. 10, 2012
      "THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. You phrased it a lot better then I could have. Being gay is presented as totally cool. There are gay celebrities and tons of support groups, minus the occasional hater.

      And also, to the person that said that gays weren't promoted in Greek mythology, they actually were. Apollo had many, many partners of both genders and I'm sure he wasn't the only one. I bet you there were a ton of gays around that time too, since it was almost encouraged."
  • +4 +29 -25 Judy Oct. 5, 2011
    "If gay was a gene, then the population would eventually go down, two men or two women can not reproduce. We are here to reporduce and making a person think his problem is genetic is just wrong. Teaching it is unscientific. You have no fact that it's a born trait."
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    • +2 +3 -1 JDH Nov. 19, 2011
      "Judy, the research into a "gay gene" is new. Right now it may be an just opinion but really do you think someone would choose to be so "different"? Could you ever picture yourself being with a woman? I'm a straight woman and I can honestly say that I cannot. Does that make me "normal" in your eyes???"
    • 0 0 0 William Dec. 27, 2012
      "fascinating the argument that there must be a gene since it can't be choice!! How rediculous. People get pulled into all sorts of situations when they are young, naive, stupid, weak, exposed, exploited, etc."
    • 0 +1 -1 Chris Jun. 1, 2012
      "Well, you have no fact that it ISN'T a born trait. Everything scientific says basically the same thing - "we can't find any specific gene" - but their conclusions do say that the ideology that it's psychological or due to troubled family dynamics are based on misinformation and prejudice. I don't think you can simply say that that it's a choice, bam, end of story. I don't remember choosing a sexual orientation, and I certainly don't think that people are just here to make babies. I think there are a lot of considerations, and I also think that this isn't simply a black or white issue. I just really hope that there's more open-mindedness in the future than there is now, and I really hope that the "reproduction" aspect of this topic isn't going to be a deciding factor in opinion. There are gay men and lesbians people that would be wonderful parents, just as there are straight men who shake babies to death and straight women who flush their newborns down the toilet. it's not cut and dry."
    • -1 0 -1 Voice of Reason Jun. 11, 2012
      "There are some theories about how a "gay" gene could survive.

      The "gay" gene could have many forms of expression, one being bisexuality. If this were the case then when males in the group would go off hunting then they would not worry about their females having sex with the perceived "gay" males of the group. This would provide an evolutionary advantage and therefor would carry on. Perhaps being fully "gay" is a type of expression of this gene. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it's a possibility."
  • +3 +4 -1 anonymous Feb. 20, 2014
    "People choose to be gay, just like I choose to be straight. It doesn't really matter anyway, it isn't everyone's business. It only has to do with that individual and what they want. Everybody should just mind their own business and worry about themselves."
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  • +3 +20 -17 Anonymous Oct. 1, 2011
    "John Locke's theory of Enlightment anyone? The way you live, where you live, why you live, how you live,and who you live with are all a part of being molded by our surroundings. Your beliefs, political views, and upbringing all reflect Enlightment."
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  • +2 +2 0 William Boissonnault Mar. 3, 2014
    "A lot of scientists seem to disagree that genetic factors are the only factors. Environmental factors are sure to play a major role. However, it does not matter whether or not a person is "born" gay—the real question should be, "Is being a choice?" And the scientific consensus on that one seems to be no. Just because you're not born gay doesn't mean you can choose not to be gay."
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  • +2 +14 -12 Khang Aug. 1, 2012
    "If we were designed to be gay, then our race would be dead within one generation. It doesn't matter if you choose to believe in a religious 'creation' type of design, a scientific 'alien seed', 'colony' or 'evolution' type of design, or some other 'poof' we are here type of design... the unmistakeable TRUTH is that if we are all gay..... then we are all dead, there will be none following us. This TRUTH makes this overall question moot and worth discussion only from the standpoint of what has gone wrong with those that desire or want to be gay. It doesn't give us the right to hate them or treat them differently than any other human being, but it also does not give them the right to promote their veiw point as a valid one for everyone; one that others should choose to follow. This path leads ultimately only to the death of our entire species and the avoidance of this ultimate TRUTH for personal and selfish desires by the individuals promoting it."
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    • 0 0 0 Cody Brown Feb. 3, 2013
      "I don't think I've ever heard anyone promote being homosexual. That's ludicrous as most people on the pro gay side of this debate hold that it is not a choice. Also you could never get the billions of people on the earth to do it... I guess I'm not really sure i get your point."
  • +2 +26 -24 Liana May. 4, 2011
    "I am con because there are plenty of people who become gay later life."
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    • +3 +7 -4 Donna Jul. 1, 2011
      "Became gay in later life? Ha! They were always gay, but so damn afraid to let anyone know they were because of remarks like this. I am straight, gee let me think, do I want to be gay? You are born that way period."
    • -1 +1 -2 Victor Greywolf Jan. 17, 2012
      "No, they just came to terms with it, and accepted who they are. You can be born in the wrong body, and then later on realize you should've been another gender. It happens. Same with being gay, bit, lesbian, or straight. ou may be confused, or unsure or curious, and it is only natural, but later on, you discover you are what you are. There are people who fantasized about having sex with or kissing someone of the same gender, but that is what it is, but then they later realize that they aren't into that, or are, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just that people shame them into thinking that for whatever reason, but it is who they are, nothing more. That is all."
  • +1 +1 0 Dude May. 23, 2014
    "Though I do side with gay rights, most people will assume that I hate gays, to be honest, if your gay I will help you best I can, I like you but I don't support you, now in my church our god wants us to live clean and healthy lives, being gay does not fit in that category that does not mean you don't need to change, why would god MAKE you gay if that's not he way he wants you to live? I believe homosexuality comes from childhood errors or influence, and even if you can't control it doesn't mean you have to have sexual relations with others of the same sex, you an be helped."
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  • +1 +1 0 Elise May. 4, 2014
    "nope, Romans, especially in Pompei, were all pansexual/bisexual. Why would is change now?"
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  • +1 +2 -1 Does it Matter? Apr. 21, 2014
    "Why does it matter if it's determined at birth? What difference does it make if they chose to be gay?
    It's not our business to interfere with their sexual orientation.
    If it's determined at birth, so be it. If they choose to be gay, so be it.
    They're gay all the same, and that's okay."
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  • +1 +4 -3 maddy May. 17, 2013
    "May I suggest there may not be one answer. Consider two examples. First two very accomplished musicians sit down and play a very complicated and beautiful piano composition with equal skill. One is a prodigy who accomplishes this feat with little practice. The other has been a life long student of priano. Second patient of Chron's disease, one has clear genetic predispostion if family history, the other took Accutane drug which is linked to development of the disease. There may be more than one answer for different individuals along the spectrum. Twin studies suggest genetic predisposition doesn't always produce the result, but there is a stronger tendency. Yet, not every gay male exhibits the X chromosone marker other studies have identified."
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  • +1 +5 -4 Jay Datbull May. 16, 2013
    "There is no chance someone is born gay. Ever hear of Adam and Eve? I would hope so. People develop their gay feelings with life experiences."
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  • 0 0 0 Reed Jun. 6, 2014
    "Being gay, is a socail construct. Humans are born asexual, no one is born to be against its pyshiological structure because sex in true purpose is for evolutionary prosperity, that is procreation. That's why a male has an oppening onthe tip pf penis, to release genetic materials everytime there is sexual engagement. And no animals aren't a model for human behavior, there is nothing rational about using one organ as another organ, and pretending that it is perfectly normal. When they find the cause and are able to locate it, then at that point , no one can disagree"
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  • 0 +3 -3 KAYLAERRRRR Dec. 13, 2013
    "nobody is born gay. they develop feelings over time. or they can be raised in a nature to become gay. people are aloud to be whom ever they want"
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    • 0 0 0 who cares Feb. 17, 2014
      "we all have a little gay in us but its detrmitend by how happy u feel. gay is not detrimend by gender its detrimand by how u feel for some one"
  • 0 +2 -2 Gillian Oct. 29, 2013
    "I think that you make the decision to be homosexual because I'm not gay and I believe that if i was born gay, I would be gay"
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  • 0 +6 -6 William Jun. 5, 2012
    "The argument is often confused with societies mascule and feminine definitions. Because a man or woman prefers what society defines most people of the other gender should prefer (colors, activities, careers, choices, etc.) this contributes to the belief that 'I was born that way'. However, this does not necessarily mean that these same people desire their same sex for relationship... however society gives few choices of masculine women for feminine men, and vice-versa."
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  • 0 +8 -8 Anastasia Oct. 23, 2011
    "It may not be a choice that individuals want to make but it certainly is something that is subconsciously done. The childhood you live, the environment you are allowed to be exposed to, the people you are exposed to, television shows that are supposed to be for children viewing that leave subliminal messages. These are all factors that help determine what sexuality you will choose. To say you knew you were 'gay' at the age of five makes me think "what happened between the stages of birth and five years?" Were you contemplating on becoming attracted to males? Not to sound judgmental in the least, it is pure curiosity. If you had time to contemplate on what sex you were mostly attracted to then that right there is making a choice, therefore sexual orientation certainly cannot be 'given by God' it is something you think about (deciding) and eventually you CHOOSE. To the teenagers out there who are confused about there sexuality, you have to ask them what there opinions of the opposite sex were in previous years before they became confused about what they wanted. More than likely they @ some point or another thought bout (thought process=deciding=choosing) what they really liked before proceeding. correct me where I'm wrong please"
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  • 0 +24 -24 w robinson Sep. 26, 2011
    "I am honestly niether for nor against this issue, but i may have a win-win idea here. Let congress declare the EVERYONE must be GAY. Then all peoples and their opinions would be equal. Then there in no way could any one reprodudce ANY ONE.....gay or straight.
    BEFORE YOU DECLARE US HOMOPHOBES, consider this,with out a normal mom and dad, none of you would be here.
    I`ll make you a deal, if you stop teling lies about us, we`ll stop telling the truth about you."
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    • +10 +10 0 % Oct. 2, 2011
      "This assumes that being gay isn't normal."
    • +6 +7 -1 Ali Sep. 29, 2011
      "it could be possible but there will always be pregidous people no matter what we do or say so if your Gay then ur awesome if ur straight I don't care and if ur bisexual then u know what u want. Gays have just as much right as we do."
    • +2 +2 0 Kate Apr. 20, 2012
      "You are very.... close-minded. And you aren't very smart either. First of all, there would be major protests, because people wouldn't want to be gay if they weren't already gay. Second of all, normal mom and dad? Just because you have gay parents does not be any means mean that you yourself will be gay, you'll just not be a homophobe. You ARE homophobic, and you're disrespecting a lot of people, and I hope you don't shove all the jews in an oven, because you're being like a Hitler towards straights AND gays."
    • +1 +1 0 josh bobbitt 96 Mar. 22, 2012
      "as a bisexual person i believe that some are born with with gay/straight and some choose but what u said isnt true because even if we didnt have a normal mom and dad there could have been a seraganch in both cass prove t mother or a sperm donor which in both cases there could've been 2 moms or 2 dads"
    • 0 0 0 Eri Apr. 21, 2013
      "Let's all just have straight parents so we can overpopulate the earth."
  • 0 +22 -22 j Jul. 21, 2011
    "i dont for a second believe that being gay has anything to do with genetics, it is a choose that we all make and yes while our envirorment has its role to play it is a very limited one at that because everyone that has every lived has free will.

    now consider this, with a population of close to 7 billion people more than 90% are straight.....so if there was the slight chance that genetics had a role to play i would say it would be a result of some sort of genetic mutation, and for those that paid attention in science class almost all mutations are harmful. and i would say that not wanting to be with a partner in order to produce offspring is a very harmfull "mutation" indeed."
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    • 0 0 0 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
      "There has been to support a evolutionary/genetic purpose to male homosexuality, check out the work of Campiero-Ciani: http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

      It shows that the "gay gene" may increase female fertility in the human population.

      Another good article on the evolutionary benefits of homosexuality: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality.html

      One of the theories in this is that homosexuality can lead to more non-mating (and thus busy) individuals available for childcare."
  • -1 +1 -2 Timbo Apr. 16, 2014
    "Abstinence is a "Choice" and in my estimation a much wiser choice than bi, gay or an adulterous-carnal relationship."
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  • -1 +1 -2 alex Apr. 14, 2014
    "con because God created man and woman to be Man and Woman. Homosexuality is just a spirit. and a bad one at that. But the Prayers of the Righteous....and Gods power can and will help :)"
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  • -1 +1 -2 Sharon Mar. 26, 2014
    "We are born male and female. Not gay or straight. If being gay was genetic, the gene would have ceased to exist since homosexuals by nature cannot reproduce. Unless they have sex with someone of the opposite sex, which doesn't help the case that people were born that way. Bisexuality, conformity and rape are not strong enough in numbers to account for any gay-gene to still be prevailent in society. It's a self-evident fact that no one is born gay or straight. We are male and female, and that fits together.(Literally and metaphorically)"
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  • -1 +2 -3 Risha Rene Feb. 15, 2014
    "Sexual orientation and sexual ACTS and behaviors are two completely different things. Therefore, I am both Pro and Con on this. A person cannot control who they are attracted to. But it is fair to ask 1) what causes the attraction? and 2) is any person required to act on the attraction? It is difficult to know what goes on in another person's head.There is obviously a legitimate attraction to the same gender. But I think it is fair for us to ask why. Is it purely physical? Sexuality is too complex for that. Liberal and pro-gay rights professors, scholars, scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists have said so. There are many reasons people are attracted to another and it isn't just their anatomy. So the idea that sexuality or attraction is FIXED and can NEVER be changed is false. Secondly, no gay or straight person is required to act on their attraction. Therefore, one can be gay mentally but not sexually, just as a straight person can. I would think that gay people would be offended by the underlying assumption that that their attractions are purely physical (they are shallow) and that they are incapable of controlling those attractions so they must have sex. Being gay does not mean one is required to live that out."
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  • -1 +3 -4 katrina Roy Nov. 18, 2013
    "Scientist actually discovored that when you are born you are NOT born gay. How are you born gay exactlly? There are no "Gay babies" popping out anywhere. You are born straight, there are no un-developed babies thinking 'yeah, i wanna be gay so, i will be!" No, being gay is a choice you make when you feel like you are attrached to the same gender, and frankly babies don't even know what "being gay" is. I'm not saying being gay is a bad thing but I"m not saying it's to good either......."
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  • -1 +4 -5 Brittney Oct. 30, 2013
    "i am a con because we are not all born gay because while we are babies we dont even know what gay means. Being gay is a decision made when you are older. we were all made in gods image when we are born. not gay."
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  • -1 +3 -4 Robert Apr. 30, 2013
    "No one is ever born with likes or dis likes, it's the same decision as to play Football, Baseball or with Dolls. I'm sick of hearing the Gay Rights Cry, Being Gay is a sexual choice that carries no rights, just a choice to have sex with anyone you like male or female, that's like all straight people raising up for Straight rights. who we have sex with is a personal decision, behind closed door. you have the same rights as everyone else, if you have sex in public you get a ticket or go to jail just like straight people. that's your equal right.. No one care who's sleeping with who, and stop using that as a I've been done wrong cause I'm gay, crap happened to straight people to, thay jut don't cry about it.. stop whining, enjoy life, move on and GOD will settle it in the end..."
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 13, 2014
      "Too bad they don't have some way here to uniquely identify us. I'm the other Robert."
  • -1 +4 -5 Nina Mar. 7, 2013
    "I know I get a strong opinions from my other gay friends, but personally I don't think it matters. The only people making a big deal out of it are the religion pushers who think we all just decide to be gay one day. They will ALWAYS think this way. You cannot convert their belief.

    Anyways, I don't think there is enough scientific evidence to say for true The idea that genes influence behavior is not actually so clear. But I don't think it's a conscious decision process either for most gay people (but I would still support a friend if they said they chose to be gay) I think it's a mix of biology and environment.

    For me it's just I never feel so strongly attracted to men and I find that my personality is often at odds with most heterosexual men. I've had some ok encounters with men, but overall I find relationships with women more fulfilling and very liberating in comparison. I don't always have to live up to some sexist standards of you must do this, dress this way, etc.

    Which is why of course I feel disappointed when other gay people try to police the borders of 'gay' for who is 'real' or not.

    I hope I get my point across I am sorry for my poor English, it is not my first language so please be patient with me."
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  • -1 +3 -4 Mike Angelastro Feb. 28, 2013
    "Based on the Declaration of Independence, it doesn't matter whether a person's sexual orientation is nature or nurture. All adults have the right to engage in sexual activity with all other willing adults regardless of gender; this is an inherent part of the universal inalienable right to pursue happiness. So it seems to me that a pro/con here is not relevant."
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  • -1 +7 -8 Eli freeman Dec. 14, 2012
    "No one can say they are born gay. They can become gay but no one is born gay. I think it is wrong for gay couples to marry and adopt kids. Kids don't need to go through that it is wrong to grow up around."
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  • -1 +4 -5 Anonymous Nov. 13, 2012
    "Why are there more pros than cons? Sexuality is determined by how you are raised, not genes."
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    • 0 0 0 Lyra Mar. 25, 2013
      "I disagree on that, its up to neither. There are kids who are raised in gay homes and end up being straight and kids who are born into straight homes are gay. so maybe its how you were raised or genes but for everyone its totally different."
  • -1 +6 -7 Robert May. 11, 2012
    "It's pretty arbitrary as to whether I comment as "pro" or "con". I just enjoy seeing both sides on this issue flail about in an area where there's practically no evidence, but where people feel impelled to take a side. I see no reason to think sexual attraction in humans is any more OR LESS amenable to biologic explanation than is preference for myriad other things in life, such as taste in food or clothing--it's just that nobody other than commercial interests think it important to determine the causes of those other preferences.

    One thing few consider is that whatever causes are found to apply to preference in mates will undoubtedly not be limited to their sex, but everything else about them that causes a person to be attracted to one individual and not another. We could probably save a lot on clothes, accessories, skill development, etc. if we were to learn, for instance, that person A is destined to be attracted to person B because of completely different factors!"
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  • -1 +4 -5 Allan Jan. 29, 2012
    "That genetics plays a substantial role in sexual orientation has been established by twin studies, but it is not clear that it is absolutely determinative or that orientation is not to some extent - perhaps variable from individual to individual - influenced by experience and context. In other words some people may be exclusively homosexual by birth and others not. As Kinsey said a long time ago:

    "Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not divided into sheep and goats. Not all things are black nor all things white. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories. Only the human mind invents categories and tries to force facts into separated pigeon-holes. The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects. The sooner we learn this concerning human sexual behavior the sooner we shall reach a sound understanding of the realities of sex.""
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  • -1 +17 -18 Analyst Jul. 31, 2011
    "Homosexuality is often compared to ethnicity.As such the religious argument comes in: "why is God against homosexuality." First I would like to say ethnicity is sacred, determined by God, no one can change it. When we come to sexuality, most people like to personalize it. But lets go to the root: if God created marriage then it is sacred to him. In proper logical fashion, how can you make one sacred (ethnicity) and the other(sexuality) non sacred: no one would argue that there is not a predisposition towards it, just like you may have a predisposition towards alcohol. Also, you ask any married man, there is a STRUGGLE against lust for women so there really is no basis for it."
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  • -2 0 -2 Andy williams Apr. 3, 2014
    "Weather you become homosexual or not its a choice that depends on the interest"
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  • -2 0 -2 Kevin Mar. 21, 2014
    "Very little our our psychological makeup is genetic. Instead, it is largely based on the environment in which development takes place. While I believe that sexual orientation is not genetic, that does not mean it is a choice. Many other traits like hand dominance are the same way: one cannot choose whether they're left or right handed, but it is a result of nurture, not nature."
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  • -2 +5 -7 Jesse Parr Apr. 20, 2012
    "I believe that one is not born homosexual. A homosexual has made the choice to be homosexual. I know two people, on an ex-homosexual and one that is a homosexual. First of all, both of them say the exact same thing. They both say that I chose to become a homosexual. The "ex" continued on saying that he made the choice not to be homosexual. I, myself, am another example. I am not homosexual or ever have been, but I am find myself wanting a homosexual lifestyle but CHOOSE not to. I choose this because God created us for one man and one woman. Here is a quote from the homosexual friend I spoke of earlier and yes, the Christian and Homosexual are friends: 'When I was born, I was a boy with blonde hair and blue eyes. Throughout my childhood, I did not even think about my sexuality until age 16. At that age I slept with my girlfriend at the time. A few months later, I tried gay sex and found I like it better. I would say that I chose to be gay.'
    Thank you guys for reading.
    No hate comments on my religion. I don't do it to homosexuals."
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    • 0 0 0 Robert Apr. 13, 2014
      "But if you could choose not to WANT a homosexual lifestyle, wouldn't you? So isn't your example in fact one of NOT being able to choose your sexual preference?"
  • -2 +5 -7 Annelise Farreth Feb. 15, 2012
    "I do not believe that people are born gay.
    In human socialology, humans generally avoid situations and states that would invoke them into social isolation or rejection. Being gay is a wide-spread social (kind of...) taboo. The human response would to avoid it or (if necessary try to rid themselves of it). As expressed before,"What person would choose a lifestyle that would be kept a secret."
    There have been studies showing that men are more prone to being gay if they have older brothers(33% as I read correctly...). Keeping that in mind, the rate of siblings in Ameriica is very high, in other countries it even higher.( There is yet to be research about lesbians and women's sexuality).
    Another thing to note is the high suicide rate in the gay community because of social isolation and rejection, wouldn't you as any type of individual want to avoid death that you caused to yourself? The rate of suicide in gay teenagers is well over 4x the rate of a strait peer. Ask yourself that question...
    I understand that sociology also plays a major role in the outcome of sexuality( nature vs nurture) but if science indeed proves everything, then it proves that human sexuality is most identified by nature and can/and or altered by nurture."
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  • -2 +7 -9 Charley Darwinny Nov. 1, 2011
    "If being born gay had its own gene, it would be a recessive gene. It would be a recessive gene because evidently in our society, we see way more straight people than gay people. Thus, according to evolution, a recessive gene would eventually become extinct over time as it is constantly being washed out by the dominant gene. (straight)
    So, why do we see a rapidly growing gay population? It makes no sense. Gay people cant procreate, therefor, cannot pass their gene.
    Therefor, a choice is made, on a lifestyle that is culturally disputed."
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  • -2 +28 -30 rabit Jul. 30, 2011
    "Ok being gay is a choice (wither its wrong or not I will not go into right now) If it was because of some gene or anything like it you would inherit it from your parents but because homosexuals can't have kids that wouldn't happen. Second if it were by DNA every set of identical twins would be gay as their DNA is exactly the same. However there are several cases where one is gay and the other is not. So stop trying to make people think you were born gay just because your ashamed of your lifestyle and don't want to admit it's a choice."
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    • +3 +8 -5 Smigs Sep. 4, 2011
      "If it's a choice, why would we choose to be beaten in the streets and socially outcast by bigots such as yourself?"
    • +2 +4 -2 CK Oct. 5, 2011
      "What about girls that are born with male genitals and boys born with girl genitals? Was it their choice?"
    • +1 +1 0 Steve Nov. 22, 2012
      "Wow Rabit, you kinda had me till the last sentence. Who in their right mind would choose a lifestyle that required so much sacrifice? Shame? Are your serious? Your own argument argues against itself! I made a choice to live a shameful life, I feel shame......thus it wouldn't be a choice? That argument itself shows homosexuality must be inherit. Identical twins DO NOT have the same IDENTICAL genes and DNA. Maybe 99.9% but not completely."
    • +1 +2 -1 Chris Jun. 1, 2012
      "I think what you're confusing is the idea that people are born straight or gay. There is no scientific research that says a definite yes or no, so that should be enough to invalidate our opinion. This opinion, by the way, is that gay people are ashamed of their choice. Really? I'm not ashamed. I'm confused as to why I can't feel about girls the way that boys I know do. I also think that there is the choice to act on those feelings. But, can you honestly expect someone who is gay to not try and find love, both physical and emotional? All I know is that, if I wanted to be miserable and not my true self, I would be alone the rest of my life. I have these feelings, and I've had them for a long time. But I am CHOOSING to work with what I've got instilled in me. SO I am living a gay lifestyle. And, if you don't care, then why are you so against it? It's obvious that you're sick of hearing about it, just like gay people are sick of hearing that we're not equal, or we should be ashamed. I think you should be ashamed for having such views and negativity. So, maybe if you quit speaking out against it, and quit judging, gay people would stop demanding that silly thing called equality."
    • +1 +2 -1 Danyelle Mar. 6, 2012
      "If it is a choice, then why do you choose to be heterosexual? think about it for awhile and do not say because that is whats right."
    • +1 +2 -1 NO Dec. 7, 2011
      "ITS NOT!!!!!"
    • -1 +4 -5 Rabit Oct. 11, 2011
      "There are no boys born with girl genitals or vise versa. If you have male genitals then your a male if you have female genitals then your a female. If your one of those VERY rare cases with both then it's the one that works because there is NEVER a case where they both do."
    • -7 +5 -12 Rabit Sep. 8, 2011
      "I don't know why do you?? Only you know that. And I'm not a bigot I don't really care if your gay I just wish you would stop trying to make people believe it's not your choice."
  • -3 +2 -5 Amanda Jan. 3, 2013
    "Even if you were born with a tendency to be gay, what if our society said something was feminine but another thought it to be masculine, and all of us were assuming sexual orientation based on our narrow perceptions of femininity and masculinity? For example: Being a lover of drama and music, to the clothes you prefer, the colors you wear, the style of your hair-- we too often judge ourselves as "oh, must be gay" based on the culture's segmentation of such relative matters. I believe all people are born with the potential to be gay, but only some are awakened to the reality of that thinking through early sexual experiences. At the same time, all people are given the ability to control these desires and reshape their thinking toward heterosexual behavior. Homosexuality does not naturally produce anything, so therefore, is not optimal for humanity as a whole. Homosexuals who say they can't stop or were born that way sound close to what an alcoholic would say. It is a behavior that requires resistance on the part of each individual who has been awakened to that potential. If it is not resisted, there are no other natural means to produce, and therefore results in societal disharmony."
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  • -3 +3 -6 Matthew Williams Jul. 27, 2012
    "I definitely think genetics have something to do with one's eventual sexual orientation-- From birth, one is definitely leaning towards a certain sexuality based on estrogen and testosterone balances, etc. But what ultimately shapes one's sexual preferences is environment: If one is raised in a conservative household, and/or if they do not have any homosexual friends/relatives, they are less likely to be homosexual themselves. I was raised in a fairly liberal family and go to a school with the highest percentage of gay teens in the state (that I know of), and I believe that definitely played a part in my bisexuality. If I had gone to my home high school, I would most likely be straight and perfectly happy about it."
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  • -3 +8 -11 mr Jan. 17, 2012
    "people are not born gay they just act this way because of the way they use to be treated when they were young."
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    • -1 +1 -2 shut up Mar. 1, 2012
      "yah i think your right some people pretend that they are not gay so people would not think that they are and make fun of them. and then they don`t get to live there life. of how they wanted wen they were small or a child.. sad for them.. but we could not have same sex marriage that is nasty you know.. but i just let people live their life... and i will live mine... but i will still always comment that we should not have same sex marriage.. i don`t get how they do that, but oh well"
  • -3 +11 -14 Panda Nov. 1, 2011
    "I dont think gays are born gay. BUT they do feel stronger feelings for their sex, thats wat makes them gay. but it is a natural feeling that they cant help so im 50/50 on this topic."
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  • -3 +5 -8 Heath Oct. 28, 2011
    "I am going to say no for the development in the womb. No fetus or newborn for that matter knows anything about sexuality. It ins't until several years that a toddler even learns how to differentiate between male and female much less decide if they are gay or not. But I am also not saying it is a choice. Neither can be proven, but I will say that it happens somewhere in the development of the brain. Considering that the brain doesn't fully develop in male or female before their twenties are in full swing I guess it could happen at any moment before."
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  • -3 +9 -12 Mitchell Oct. 23, 2011
    "In no way are people "Born gay" if there was a gay gene we would see it in the Animal Kingdom, and I am not talking about animals raised in captivity like those damn Gayguins>.>. Same with twins, which share the same DNA, so if one twin was gay then the other one would be, but there are cases of one twin being gay and the other being straight. Plus I have a couple of friends who themselves said they were not born gay, and at one point in their life just became more attracted towards the same sex. Now don't get me wrong I'm perfectly fine with people being gay, I am however not okay with homosexuality, because I'm straight. So please don't believe everything these "theory loving" scientists say, seriously you people hear one thing from some stupid scientist and it gets blown out of proportion, same with Darwin's THEORY, but that's another topic ;D."
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  • -3 +15 -18 Sara Sep. 6, 2011
    "+JMJ+ I do not believe that a person may be born gay or lesbian. To me, that is like saying that a person may be 'born a troublemaker' when it is more than apparent that lives of crime are the product of a person's upbringing combined with their decision to commit crimes, rather than try to make the leap to becoming a better person. Some people are taught to know better, but some people grow up in circumstances that minimize their access to helpful persons or clean influences, and therefore lessens the likelihood that they will turn out to be law-abiding. Similarly, a person is not born a Christian but decides his or her position and beliefs at one point in his or her life, with the choice being subconciously based on influences he or she has been exposed to. In matters such as these, human beings are born with a free will. Thus, a man or woman becomes homosexual by choice and not by chance, and they make this decision after birth and not before."
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  • -3 +26 -29 Dale Apr. 28, 2011
    "The con position on 'Born Gay' is not 'a lifestyle choice' but same sex attraction is for most a psychological developmental disorder rooted in early childhood experiences, in particular a failure to attach, separate and identify with ones same-sex parent."
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    • +1 +3 -2 Donna Jul. 1, 2011
      "I was raised with a dad who wanted a son! I don't like my dad, never did, so there is a failure to attach to him. Even when I was married with a little girl he was still telling me he wished I was a boy. So again I say BS on that theory. Guess what I am still straight, well balanced and with a mind of my own. Stop the hate."
    • 0 0 0 anonymous Jan. 7, 2013
      "Thank you Dale. Finally someone who knows what they're talking about."
  • -4 +13 -17 Ryan Sep. 27, 2011
    "If you look at it at a religise belief, than of coarse nobody's gay. On the other hand, if religen isn't your thing, than you still have to realize the fact that people have lived without gays atleast 2,000 years. if the world was JUST gays than this would be are last generation."
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    • +1 +2 -1 Lisa Apr. 6, 2012
      "First of all, gays have always been around. They were probably just too afraid to come out because there was a much larger bias against them back then. Second of all, it's religion. With an "io". Not an "e". If you want to say that religion is you're thing, then you ought to at least spell it right."
    • -1 +1 -2 Ryan Apr. 13, 2012
      "Lisa, I never said religion was my thing, but sense you brought it up I'll tell you my belief about gays. I have nothing against them, but it is a choice. The way people feel about how they like same/opposite sex are influnced by media, friends, family, the things you see everyday, and all comments you hear about them. These all play apart in what we do and say as individuals, as it so people have it in there head that it's not a chance. Simply put, it's a chance to be gay, straight, and bi."
  • -4 +14 -18 w robinson Sep. 26, 2011
    "the politacly correct term of "sexual preference" automaticly implies that "I may prefer this, but I CHOOSE that". So just like global warming being changed to climate change I expect a change of terms being used here as well, but no one will be fooled.
    Being gay is a "bed room behavior" and should not be legeslated for or against. every one should be able to express there own opinion."
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  • -4 +21 -25 a.storey May. 3, 2011
    "Both of my sisters are gay. I am the only straight daughter. I have a twin brother who is also straight. One of my sisters was raped by a man who was atleast 8 years older than her when she was 13. She said she tried to date a man in highschool, but couldn't work it out. I do not believe either of my sisters was born gay. I believe their environment and the absence of my father on a daily basis contributed to this. I do not believe gay coulples should have the same protections as married people. I mean, if you choose to be hetero and single, you don't get special treatment, so what the heck? I'm going to be penalized for being straight? IDTS."
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    • +2 +2 0 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
      "Are you talking about legal rights? As a single person, you have the right to get married or not, the right to have children or not, you have the right not to be discriminated against in the workforce for your sexual orientation, you can donate blood, you can adopt children in most states, your children cannot be banned from going to certain schools based on your orientation, and you don't have to deal with housing discrimination in certain areas... and if you are straight and get married, there a a lot more benefits such as insurance and tax benefits, next of kin status at hospitals, inheritance, custody of children should you divorce or one partner die... sources: http://www.ranker.com/list/8-things-gay-people-can_t-do/cdu827
      http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/636513-what-rights-do-straight-people-have-16.html"
    • +1 +2 -1 The Jeff Aug. 31, 2011
      "Your logic seriously breaks down at the end. A gay couple wold be "a couple", not "single". You are not being penalized for being straight, you are "single". get married, and you will have those protections you so desperately desire."
    • 0 +4 -4 Alex Jun. 14, 2011
      "Marriage is a special right already! It gives special rights to heterosexual people! You say that you're straight and you don't get special rights, so you think that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married. But if you can get married, and a gay couple can't, isn't that special rights I. Your favor?"
    • -1 0 -1 Brian Dec. 14, 2011
      "How is me getting married penalizing you? I am able to get married just like you. That is it. Nothing is being taken away. I get the same rights that come with marriage. Nobody is taking away you're rights."
  • -4 +23 -27 Brad Apr. 28, 2011
    "I believe that being gay is not a choice, but an actual state of mentality(usually pessimistic), where all men are born with the option of becoming gay. The reason I believe this was that whenever I would ask one of my homosexual friends about whether or not they could actually get a women, I never found one say that they weren't attracted to women, but always 'I could never get a women.' Maybe I've just found all the pessimistic gay guys, but from this, I have come to believe that most gay guys are actually using being gay to escape from the fact they believe themselves that they simply cannot find the right women, or get a women in the first place, and not because they are attracted to men over women, or that they've had bad experiences with women. I also believe that a lot of homosexuals stick to the born gay idea, as not having any control over one's sexuality makes it so much easier for them to accept what society calls wrong. Despite the almost entirely speculative research on gayness at birth, gay guys cling to it adamantly and won't even consider the alternative, as they think of the alternative as an attack on themselves. These are clear sign of denial."
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    • +2 +2 0 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
      "Most women will admit that they can see the attractiveness of other women... this doesn't mean that those who are straight are choosing to be straight when they could be with a woman. It just means that "sexual orientation" involves complicated factors of intimacy, sexual response to others, finding someone physically appealing, etc. You can find someone physically appealing and have no sexual attraction to them."
    • -1 +1 -2 The Jeff Aug. 31, 2011
      "First, society doesn't call being gay wrong, people like you call it wrong, and make society a living hell for people that are "different". Second, the singular form of "women" is "womAn"."
    • -1 +1 -2 Donna Jul. 1, 2011
      "Yeah, tell my husband that and see where that gets you. Attraction is something you are born with, not something you become. And I'm sure they would choose to be gay so they could be bullied, beaten and hated?"
    • -2 0 -2 Sara Sep. 6, 2011
      "I agree with some of your points. Yes, poor self-confidence, failure, peer pressure, boredom, a desire to stand out or be differet, and many other mental and emotional attitudes drive some people to do unnatural things. YES, I said it. Homosexuality is seen as bad because it is; it is just plain unnatural. Like you said, anyone who says otherwise is in denial."
  • -5 +2 -7 Katie Nov. 30, 2012
    "i was absolutely born gay. i hate it with every fiber of my being, but i've learned to live with it. i can't help being gay and those who thing it is a choice don't know, and don't understand. Homosexual people suffer SO MUCH in their lives. Why would anyone WANT that?"
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  • -5 +2 -7 P.A. Aug. 4, 2012
    "tell people to turn on their god and their religion after 30 years of being raised within it. they will not turn. how deep and intertwined in their core 'self' that religion is is roughly how deep a homosexual persons sexual identity is intertwined in their core 'self' as well. both manifesting at an early age. neither will turn away unless something is seen, understood, or necessary. it must be uprooted and re-assured safety from the psyche's own fear creating mechanisms. even then elements may remain until all fear is eliminated.

    put an 8 on its side and a normal mans psyche is on one side and a gay mans brain on the other. a homosexual must pass through the tiny center area to the other side. this can potentially be scary and difficult to understand because it is NEW and expansive beyond just sexual desires because the "self' will be dramatically altered. many things will seem unfamiliar or hard to understand. many homosexuals seem mentally frail and fragile to begin with so taking those necessary steps and make those adjustments to pass through the middle to the other side will be stalled by frantic-ness and panicky fear and other psychosis."
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  • -5 +2 -7 Cara May. 11, 2012
    ""Lasciviousness is all lustful and sexual forms of perverseness.
    Lascivious is a demon. They're the demons that influence and control the mind of man, causing him not to accept any and all things that are of the natural or normal. Since satans transgression, he has worked towards getting men and women to go against the divine order of God. Whatever God has established and instituted, such as marriage and family, Satan and his demons are determined to destroy it, to change it, and to make it become a direct transgression against God. Marriage is not something we can customize after our carnal ,lustful desires". This would explain why people say they were born gay."
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    • 0 0 0 David Reddiker May. 17, 2014
      "Dear Cara,
      I went to your site and found out a few things. The first is that the site is recommended by my firewall, search engine and computer as a hazard site, but I ignored it. The rest I should have guessed, simple pious bigotry. I feel sorry for who wrote this, because I can vision exactly how they became so ignorant. They were fed religious denial at a very young age and now over time the "holy" doctrines have formed a shell of insolence and bias around them. This site is wretched and so is your argument. You are claiming homosexuality as a demon and you cast off your religious morals for your sense of superiority and purity. Love and lust ore only remotely similar in spelling, nothing else. I genuinely suggest you cease this nonsense, but I know your self-righteousness will compel you onward in your swan dive into hate."
  • -5 +5 -10 Molly Apr. 24, 2012
    "A 10th grade biology teacher once conducted an experiment. In a large plexiglass cage, which was on display, he put two mice - a male and a female. He fed and watered them, and otherwise left them alone. They reproduced. Their offspring reproduced. Throughout the year, the population grew expediently. As the large tank started to reach carrying capacity, the mice's behavior began to change. They developed cancerous growths. Cannibalism, murder, mental disabilities, and, yes, homosexuality became common behaviors. Sound familiar? Is our earth at carrying capacity?"
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  • -5 +8 -13 John from D.C. Mar. 27, 2012
    "Anyone who claims to be a Christian (a follower of Jesus Christ, a believer that He is God) must understand that the Bible CLEARLY states that homosexuality is a sin, just as adultery or heterosexual sex outside of marriage (see Lev. 18:22 & Rom. 1:24-27 for example). Historic Christianity states that homosexuality is a SIN, which is a choice we make to disobey God. God does not punish us for how we are born, yet He says homosexuality is "an abomination", so it must not be innate. Some, however, have greater temptations to sin in this area, just as others are tempted to be a drunkard, a liar, or to profane the name of God, which are all sins. Mankind, in their attempt to justify their sinful choices, have confused the tendancy toward a particular sin w/ the concept of being "born" homosexual, or stating that alcoholism is a "sickness", thus reducing man's guilt. God, however, says that ALL have sinned - we ALL fall short of God's requirement of perfection - so He came to earth as the Man Jesus, paid the penalty for ALL our sins (including homosexual actions), and gives us eternal life with Him if we only trust and believe (John 3:16). God created Adam & Eve (not Steve) & wants us to obey Him in all things for our own good."
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    • +1 +1 0 Someone May. 18, 2012
      "Alcoholism is a "sickness""
    • 0 0 0 David Reddiker May. 17, 2014
      "Dear John,
      So if all of these things are choices, when did you choose to be pitifully self-righteous?"
  • -5 +8 -13 Lita Dec. 7, 2011
    "i just dont think you are born gay."
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  • -5 +6 -11 Jay Nov. 17, 2011
    "I do not believe people are born with a homosexual leaning, simply because there are numerous (and growing) examples of people who have reversed their sexual orientation back to heterosexual. If it were an inborn trait, I don't think flipping to, from or back and forth (bisexual) would be possible without either blatantly living a lie or violating your own deep, emotional core.
    I do, however, believe some are born with a predisposition to lean in the direction of homosexual or other deviant sexual tendencies, just as some people are more prone to develop addictions. We ALL have inborn weaknesses, but it doesn't mean we are to ACT upon them. Weakness for alcohol (alcoholism) is one example. What's interesting, is in most of these cases, the child/adolescent has suffered from some sort of environmental impact (whether abuse or some other negative emotional/social input) that has steered them into views, feelings and mindset that lead to skewed sexual orientation.
    It is most definitely an environmentally influenced DECISION, based upon often skewed perceptions of sexual reality."
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    • 0 0 0 Brian Dec. 14, 2011
      "Bisexuals and homosexuals are two different things. Homosexuals have absolutely no attraction, spousal closeness, etc towards the opposite sex. There are in the closets that have somehow married the opposite sex, but they mainly commit adultery, beat their spouse, beat their children, and if none of that luckily happens...they wind up breaking up and destroying the family even more.
      Bisexuals can do it sometimes, but not homosexuals. The best you can hope for in that situation is sever depression and anger."
  • -5 +10 -15 Chandler Sep. 28, 2011
    "It is a choice plain and simple. Science supports it and there is noway God created you to be gay. That is why the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman."
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    • +1 +1 0 Daisey Winthrope Jun. 24, 2012
      "ummm. the bible is nnot for the weak minded, nor is any other book. theres no reason to go offending peoples religions because he stated his opinion the same way everyone does on this website. and the impossible has been done before.FACT:people in history were crucified as a punishment and jesus did rome the erth whether he did all the miracles is beyond me, but in a time of desperation, WHICH WE'VE HAD SO MANY TIMES IN HISTORY, they were looking for a leader and they chose him because he wasnt about violence. what are you gonna say next martin luther king wasnt real? rethink your strategy."
    • +1 +1 0 Waffle Mar. 29, 2012
      ""The bible is a myth for the weaker people to follow in a line and bow down to soiety. It's not possible for a "god" to be present at anytime or ever in history. Homosexulity is a choice and one should not be critized for that. If a man is happy with another man, well good for them!""
    • +1 +1 0 danyelle Mar. 6, 2012
      "Science supports what? you know god did not write the bible right? Science has not found a reason for homosexuality OR heterosexuality"
  • -5 +18 -23 leah May. 17, 2011
    "because if you were born strait then u should jus stay the way god created u"
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    • 0 0 0 Waffle Apr. 4, 2012
      "What if god really didn't mean to create you as "straight", what if he determined that you should be something completely inbetween homo, hetero, or bi... like trisexual? And yes, that IS possible. So, you are actaully in the wrong for claiming to be "heterosexual" to begin with"
  • -6 +2 -8 Vinathi Apr. 10, 2012
    "Homosexuals people exist mostly among the richer communities. Mostly celebrities and first world countries. It's obvious that people get bored and want to try something new. That's how people get into drugs & alcohol (not that I'm comparing homosexuality with drugs). It's for the thrill. There is a thrill in doing something wrong whether it be lying, cheating on a partner, drugs, sneaking out at night, stealing, etc. You're not born gay, you choose it."
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  • -6 +3 -9 Ekka BB Feb. 27, 2012
    "I am very much against gay relationships and marriages. I do believe that thye should be treated equal because they are the same as everyone else....human. I will admit that my opinion comes from my religion. I am proud of it, but I'm not going to rub it in someones face. God made woman for man and vice versa. No man for man or woman for woman. We are not born gay/lesbian. That is the lifestyle in which we choose. Many factors play into the choice of being gay. Environment, social life, and all these things you see on tv. people try to make it seem ok. If you look around, even nature knows that female goes with male. Animals dont run off with the same sex and live life, they reproduce with the opposite gender. Even the animals know that they are supposed to be with the opposite gender. Once again we are not born gay or lesbian it is a choice we make in life. God placed on this earth with intentions of us forming reltionships with the opposite gender, what we choose to do is not pre-determined. This is just my opinion. I dont understand how males can be attracted to other men or women to other women. In all honesty it doesnt make sense to me.I find men super attractive. Isnt that the way its supposed to be ?"
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    • +4 +4 0 Julia Mar. 20, 2012
      "As a matter of fact, animals CAN be gay. I respect your devotion to your faith but the fact about nature being strictly heterosexual is FALSE. Gay animals actually DO run off together to live life. See : http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000016
      and
      http://borngay.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000162

      Additionally, I don't think it makes sense to say that just because you aren't gay means nobody else is gay because it doesn't make sense. That would be like somebody coming up to you and telling you that your favorite color (lets say for the purpose of the hypothetical it's purple) can no longer be your favorite color because that particular person thinks purple is the ugliest color there is and doesn't understand why somebody would like it and then they decide to discriminate against you just because you happen to like the color purple. Not fair, is it?"
  • -6 +5 -11 Derik Muckerheide Nov. 29, 2011
    "The reason for the increase in more gay people in the world, or coming out, is due to society's view on sex. Putting sex down as a huge sin or wrong doing. If society as a whole was more accepting of the act of sex at any age, the youth would embrace thier feelings and not reject them. By them rejecting those feelins "gay" feelings arise because they see that that should be acceptable since straight sex activities are shuned from an early age"
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  • -6 +6 -12 Daniel Nov. 28, 2011
    "I'll put this on the con side, but really I'm a bit more in between. In fact, reading through the comments on both sides, a lot of you are being a little naive.

    Nature vs. nurture debates have been going on forever, but it's quite clear that it is a little of both. Some of what makes you gay is probably a trait you were born with, but at the same time, if you are raised being told that it's wrong to be gay, you would probably be less likely to consider yourself a homosexual (or bisexual).

    Now, before you religious people go labelling me as some atheist or agnostic, I will just let you know that my Christian faith is more important to me than anything in the world. And of course I believe homosexual activity is one of the worst sins you can commit (though so is hetero sex outside marriage). And yes, people should be encouraged in loving ways to get counsel to try and turn straight. Think of it this way: God gave us all weaknesses. Some people may be born with the weakness of homosexual inclinations, but they can overcome them, usually. If they can't, and they've tried to turn straight as hard as possible, then they can just stay single their whole lives. If they don't get in any homosexual relationships of any sort, it's OK."
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    • 0 0 0 Cody Brown Feb. 3, 2013
      "I vehemently disagree with your views on the morality issue. But at least your argument was well written."
  • -6 +17 -23 Elizibeth Sep. 23, 2011
    "I no im only 13 but hear me out!
    i belive that people arent born gay i belive that its about choice.i really dont think its possible to be born gay. but people TURN gay!"
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    • +9 +9 0 Victor Greywolf Jan. 4, 2012
      "And do you believe people feel they are born in the wrong body, or people choose to be straight? It isn't a choice...although some psychology experts say that a traumatic experience such as a molestation, or rape or sexual abuse turns someone that way, that is very rarely the rule to it. Sure, it does in SOME cases, but that is very rare.

      Nobody can turn gay, or lesbian, or bi or straight or whatever, and NO, I am not attacking you, just offering a different perspective to what you said. Food for thought."
  • -8 +4 -12 smile Feb. 19, 2012
    "I am con against this institution. I believe that gay people were not 'born' this way, they are just mentally ill individuals who have convinced the majority of the human population that they're normal or just different. I am against legalizing gay marriage because its unnatural and an offense to the beautiful institution that mankind has worked so hard to keep, these individuals are just out to destroy it. That may not be their intention but encouraging this behavior is not right. They are not normal people, people that think this way have a problem and we need to help them! If they really are just different then there's a double standard? Know why? Because if these people really are just different and are seemingly normal people, why not allow pedophiles to get married to younger children? Huh? They just think a little different? Why are we against them and not the pedophiles? They are seemingly normal people why not just allow them to do what they want? What about the professors that date their students? They think differently we should allow them to do that too! My point just like all the abnormal individuals gay people deserve a spot in that category too i strongly believe that we are brainwashed to believe otherwise by them"
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  • -9 +6 -15 Eli Kaufman Nov. 28, 2011
    "Impossible, it is a lifestyle choice"
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    • +1 +3 -2 Carl Apr. 15, 2012
      "When did you choose to be straight?"
  • -11 +5 -16 joescheartz Nov. 25, 2011
    "No, Homosexual behavior is a choice to do something evil and it is a sin like any other sin. Calling it something you are born makes it "ok." But it doesn't matter what people think or believe. Everyone has to face God one day and give an account of their deeds they did while alive. So, if your gay, remember, you will die someday and you will face God."
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  • -12 +7 -19 chantell Dec. 7, 2011
    "well, i think no one was born gay i think they want to be gay."
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    • 0 0 0 Max Jun. 20, 2012
      "Do you want to support that comment at all?"
  • -15 +18 -33 JNKB May. 27, 2011
    "I think this is neither a choice nor a gene, i think it is a learned thing, and needs to be treated as any other mental disorder"
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    • +3 +6 -3 Emma Jun. 6, 2011
      "Its not learned and its not a mental disorder. Ok I can say this... your prejudice is a mental disorder... Why? because your scared of gays and lesbians."
    • +2 +4 -2 Acceptance Sep. 7, 2011
      "I agree with Mental. As someone who has studied and has her master's degree in a mental health field, the homosexuality as a mental disorder has been debunked. The mental strain that results from being bullied, vilified (turned into a villain), judged, hated by people like you, or required to live a lie does do some emotional damage to some individuals- and like other people who have been traumatized and abused individuals they may need treatment to learn to love themselves as they are.

      Also, there's a great scientific study on here about how homosexual males have bigger penises than heterosexual males... maybe their problem is that they are too well hung."
    • +2 +4 -2 Mental Aug. 15, 2011
      "Sorry to say this but besides who gay people have sex with, they are no different than you in term of likelihood for success in career, family connection, genuine friendship, inner happiness, etc. In fact, I'm certain there are gay people out there who might be better looking AND smarter than you in every way. One can say you are worse off than some people with "mental disorder"."
    • +1 +3 -2 Random Someone Jul. 17, 2011
      "how is it a mental disorder if they act like a sane person and don't require special care???????????????think what you want the weird thing about humans is we're entitled to opinion."
  • -17 +16 -33 Cody May. 3, 2011
    "It is completely impossible for someone to be gay at birth. A person doesn't have to be genetically programmed to believe that they have to love a certain sex. It is society that can influence a persons choice. Like if a kid sees a gay couple at the mall. Or if a boy has no luck with the ladies. Face it. if you look at a life choice like this and say that it is genetic, that's pretty sad. I have yet to see any proof of genetics being involved with it."
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    • +1 +1 0 KRain Sep. 7, 2011
      "On the left-hand side of this site is a section with peer-reviewed research. The majority of it shows evidence that being gay has genetic and/or biological features. There are only two research studies that are against the idea of no choice in being gay- and both of those are subjective (not as scientifically sound) survey research of people who have gone through the anti-gay treatments. And one of those said that it was rare for people to completely change their sexual orientation.

      If you don't see "proof" it is because you are so afraid that you are squeezing your eyes closed tightly... but then, I don't think any amount of facts would allow you to accept that you are blindly justifying and embracing hate and judgement of other people. Research has also shown that facts that oppose someone's beliefs only make that person more deeply entrenched in those beliefs. (See great article: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/)

      So tell me, if all the facts were placed in front of your eyes- would you change your belief or just change the argument?"
    • +1 +2 -1 Social Aug. 15, 2011
      "so you're saying if, as a kid, you saw a gay couple at the mall or you were unlucky with the ladies, you might have choose to be gay?"
    • 0 +2 -2 Donna Jul. 1, 2011
      "Tell that to all the gay animals, many different species. Who genetically programmed them? Noah?"
    • -2 +1 -3 j Jul. 21, 2011
      "we are humans made by the hand of god himself not animals that live off of pure instinct most of there lives....i find it a lil odd that most gay people are so high-strung about proving that it's perfictly normal to be gay. sounds like they have a guilty conscience and they have a need to go on a "witch hunt" to prove that their lifestyle is normal"
  • -28 +30 -58 Dwight Apr. 28, 2011
    "Humans were borne to be attracted to the opposite sex!!!!!!! It states in the Bible that God created man and then created him a mate, so they could procreate [and] the earth could be populated by dominate Humans. In most every passage in the Bible it calls homosexuality an abomination, and states that homosexuals can be saved and redeemed from this deviate and self-destroying lifestyle through Jesus Christ. Anyone that believes that they were borne that way, and anyone else that believes homosexuality is a borne trait, has a very deep mental problem and truly needs some serious counseling, preferably by a counselor that is a true believer in God and his word (The Bible)!!!!!!!

    So, no, homosexuality is a learned lifestyle not a God ordained lifestyle, and if America continues down the road it is going, we just may find that God will take his wrath out on America, like he did the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah in the Bible. For those that don't know about those cities, or don't remember the passage from the Bible, God destroyed them because of the rampant homosexuality."
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    • +6 +8 -2 Bi is Beautiful Sep. 22, 2011
      "The Bible, which was written by man, forbids many other things, like the consumption of shellfish, women wearing braids in church, and men shaving their beards. None of these things have been banned, or even frowned upon, in modern society. Why then, does society frown a person in love simply because their lover is of the same sex?"
    • +3 +5 -2 Lightened Sep. 7, 2011
      "You know, I think that you are turning a blind eye to the scientific findings (which really exist- there are some here on this site) because you can't come up with a good moral argument for hating someone if they are genetically predisposed to like the same sex and if you know that they are struggling with it their whole life.

      Homosexuality may be a sin in the bible, but during the time that people wrote the bible, science didn't exist to show them the biological and genetic workings of the human body. And homosexuality is one of the few sins that doesn't hurt another individual or their property (unless someone is forced to enter into the lie of a heterosexual relationship and deceive themselves and their partner.)"
    • +3 +4 -1 Donna Jul. 1, 2011
      "Yeah? Look up and research that there are animals who are gay, many different species. Where did they learn it from? So if it a learned lifestyle see if you can ever consider learning it? The bible has been translated and the words that you refer to is representative of deviant sexual hate crimes, not of a loving consenting couple. Research the bible outside of the bible and see what you can learn. "Judged not, that ye be not judged.""
    • +2 +2 0 Tamia Oct. 5, 2011
      "Right this is just nasty!!!"
    • +2 +3 -1 :) Sep. 30, 2011
      "Here's a huge problem with stereotypes against homosexuals: Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to go have sex with everyone of the same gender that you meet. That's like saying straight people have sex with every single person of the opposite gender that they meet, which is obviously untrue. So yes, premature sex is a sin, no matter what sexual orientation you are. But being gay in itself is not a sin.

      And yes, homosexuals can be saved by Jesus Christ and they have been. We all have been. Jesus died to save all of us. The Bible doesn't state that he's dying to save all the homosexuals. It's EVERYONE, even the people who treated him the worst.

      If humans were born to be attracted to the same sex, why do gay people exist? Why hasn't God changed humanity?"
    • +1 +2 -1 Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011
      "Did you know that the Bible can actually be considered itself a credibility to science? If you think about it, the Bible explains the process of world's creation. In one such account in its contents it goes as far as suggesting there's a water cycle. The Bible is like a math, science, health, history, language source all in one. No wonder why it is often called " The Good Book !". Now, if only science and religion can respect each other."
    • +1 +2 -1 Ethan Sep. 26, 2011
      "This will hopefully correct your misconception of homosexuality in the bible. Please read this article, for to not consider this point of view would be quite immature of you: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian"
    • -2 +1 -3 chantell Dec. 7, 2011
      "you are so right"
    • -2 +6 -8 Anonymous May. 9, 2011
      ""In most every passage in the Bible it calls homosexuality an abomination, and states that homosexuals can be saved and redeemed from this deviate and self-destroying lifestyle through Jesus Christ."

      I'm sorry, darling, but have you actually READ the Bible?"
  • -41 +19 -60 Joey P. May. 5, 2011
    "God would not let someone live their life gay. Being bisexual or homosexual is brought up by your childhood."
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    • +3 +3 0 Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011
      "If there is one thing I have been taught about God is that God is all-powerful and all-good and to love and fear God for our own sake. I like to believe God hears the whole universe, witnesses our pain and sorrow. However, God does not interfere with the lives of the people.

      God lets the people rule themselves because that's what we chose to do. God loves all that's why different creatures coexist. God listens but has the wisdom to let us learn from our own mistakes."
    • +3 +4 -1 :) Sep. 30, 2011
      "I don't think I understand what you mean at all. God wouldn't let someone live their life gay? Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you're making it sound as if homosexuality is wrong and a sin...which it's not. God is all-powerful, so if he "wouldn't let someone live their life gay", why do gay people still exist? Surely he would change them if it was so wrong"
    • +3 +6 -3 TYLER Jun. 10, 2011
      "You know what, why don't you hateful people concern yourselves with more important matters, like the environment or global warming. Why do you people make such a big deal about being gay? Does it hurt you in any way? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So get a life and get over yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
    • +2 +3 -1 Bi is Beautiful Sep. 22, 2011
      "Coming out as bisexual was one of the toughest things I've ever gone through, especially because I live in a Christian household. I believe in a God who loves all of his creations, not just those who are more socially acceptable."
    • +1 +1 0 Chachi Sep. 11, 2013
      "This coming from the mystical magical 'God' who placed dinosaur bones deep inside the earth to 'test our faith'. What a trickster."
    • -1 +2 -3 jocelyn Sep. 25, 2012
      "If being gay is right, then why can't a man and man or woman and woman have a child? God gave men their privates and women their privates for a reason. Why didn't God call gay prophets or preachers together in the bible?"
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